I really really wanted to see the recap for last week's episode!

Tonight looks ballin'! Finally the Miles episode that has been a long time coming.

Wow that sucks. Ive been watching that dudes vids for the last couple weeks and they have been very good. I don't care if he was plagiarizing I just want the different theories etc.

How awesome is Miles?

Quick refresher please. What happened to Faraday? There are so many time lines and such, I cannot keep track anymore.

I don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure he was with the original group that got taken in my Dharma three years back from what's going on right now. My guess is that he managed to leave the island somehow and is coming back. Don't know for sure though.

yea, he was with sawyer, juliet, et al. they made some vague comment about dan being "gone" to jack, kate, etc. when they came back, but they never asked wtf that meant, as i did to my television.

in any case, i'd guess that daniel figured something out about how the island works--at least w/r/t time--and is going to be a mouthpiece for all of that sometime soon.


hurley and miles are both really awesome characters. i like that miles's backstory got fleshed out a little bit, and i hope that his character becomes more and more important.

Hurley/Miles was great, I like the way they work together. My fav line in the show: "Face it, Ewoks suck dude."

Anyone else getting the sense that Sawyer is on the verge of asking Jack for help getting out of this mess?

I'm starting to think that our Losties may be the cause of killing all the Dharma dudes some how.

I can't believe the AWESOMENESSS of this show...it's totally mind blasting every weeek. MIND BLASTING!!

Hmmm, interesting. I was thinking that they're going to get driven out of Dharma-Land (or have to escape) and they'll end up as their merry little band out in the jungle all over again...except in the 1970's.

Here's a question that was on my mind last night: what happens to drive Miles's father to send his wife and kid off the island, never to see them again? They looked like a happy little family when Miles stopped by the house.

Another great episode.

I think the scene when Daddy puts baby Miles down to go to work late at night is a microcosm of how Miles' mom felt. Work on the island is obviously going to be more important than just a son, and she probably wanted him to focus more on the family life, instead of just island stuffs.

Or he's banging the smoke monster on the side. I'm not sure which.

I liked that he was reading him a Polar Bear book.

I missed that, that's funny. I wish I could notice everything/know what everything means in the show, there are so many subtle things that relate to the show, and I think I miss most of them.

Recap episode tonight

mother trucker

I was already to sit down and get my lost fix and UGH! we waited 8 months + with the promise of a continous run. I guess i need to book a flight to quam if I am gonna get my fix.

I don't even think that was a new thing, I'm pretty sure that was one of the bonus features on the Season 4 DVD. What a Jip.

Not quite...maybe 60-75% of it was...the other 25-40% was stuff from this season getting put in it's time-line order.

So I fast forwarded through about the first 15 minutes to make sure it was just a recap then deleted it. Is next weeks a new one? Are they on a break? What the hell is going on here?

funny-- i thought about fast forwarding or deleting but decided I was to addicted and just watched it. I need an intervention.

Just a guess but I assume with may sweeps starting next week they have a fixed number of episodes left and wanted to get all episodes in the sweeps period. I am pretty sure they are back next week but just a guess-

That recap episode stole a little of my soul, but it also probably boosted the amount of viewers for next week's show. From what I've read, ABC and the creators from Lost will be promoting their new show starting during next week's episode. It's something with Joseph Fiennes, and the plot is maybe spoiler worthy.

Everyone on the planet loses a small amount of time, and it is replaced with visions about the future.

That recap episode stole a little of my soul, but it also probably boosted the amount of viewers for next week's show. From what I've read, ABC and the creators of Lost will be promoting their new show during next week's episode. It's something with Joseph Fiennes, and the plot is maybe spoiler worthy.

Everyone on the planet loses a small amount of time, and it is replaced with visions about the future.

This might have already been mentioned here a little while back, but it's been bugging me forever on where I've seen the actor who plays Faraday.
Today I figured it out while bored and deciding to watch Saving Private Ryan. He plays Corporal Upham, the translator and scrawny untrained map maker who's pulled into the Captain's men.

Wrong. He's from Spanking the Monkey. Get with it.


Oh, and anybody care about what happened to Rose and Bernard? Did the writers just decide (correctly) that they were the most boring characters and are hoping that everyone will forget about them? Everyone might. Everyone may have already.

who?

I have been waiting for this fucking Farraday episode for a year.

I don't know if I've ever posted here before, if there are any rules about spoilers and shit, I am going to ignore them, and ignore them willfully. Don't read the thread if you haven't seen the episode.


I just wanted to say I would, in order, do horrible things to the following characters:

1) Penny

2) Juliette



3) Jin's Wife
4) Kate




Also, half the actors aren't even trying anymore.

whoa, dude.


also,

www.themosaiccollective.com

a funeral, a wedding, a sonogram, a surfer, children running out of school

but i don't know what i just entered into.

Why in the world would Kate not want the plane to crash? Why would she want to go through with anything Farraday said? Obv she would go to jail for a long time if the plane never crashed.

I liked the episode a lot other than that huge, gigantic hole. Unless Kate is thinking about all the people who died that didn't need to during the crash and the following days and s thinking about going to jail to save all of those people, but I wouldn't think she would have thought that far about it yet. Now that i think about it, that will probably be the reason why she will want to do it...

well, she's already gone on trial for this and got off with just probation. she may not be so afraid of facing the music any more.

But she got off with just probation because of the crash and the things she supposedly did as a person after the crash.

They really haven't even done anything yet. Give them until next episode, see if they at least address the issue.

They let Farraday talk to the Hostiles and get blasted by his mom, but it really doesn't matter whether Kate/Jack/Whomever want to change the past. So far, they haven't done anything new, and we're certain Farraday has already tried to make the same changes, so doesn't it follow that -- whatever they do -- they're either the REASON things end up the way they do, or at least unable to change anything?

Farraday's death is depressing. He was one of my favorite characters.

I was dissapointed because my guide preview for the episode told me Farraday was going to explain some things about the island. Which he didn't. I know this is normal in Lost episodes to leave things hanging but I expected a couple of answers.
The only thing the episode gave me was that Farraday is Wigmore's son.

By the way Farraday looks like a greaser glad he is dead.

Nobody said anything about everything going back to normal if the plane doesn't crash. The implication is simply that they'll get back to 2007, which would still be 3 years AFTER, but in their lives, the crash would still have taken place, because you cannot reverse the past, only change the future.

It's a mindbender...

Wait, what are you saying Farraday was suggesting? I have only seen the episode the one time, but I was pretty sure he was saying that the goal is, absolutely, to change the outcome of events. The whole "prevent the Hatch from being built, to prevent the plane crash" thing.

You're saying they would change the timeline for everyone except themselves? They would have been involved in the plane crash, the time travel, etc., but nobody else would have heard of Oceanic 815?

It doesn't make sense. Their present is the 1970's. If they prevent the hatch from being built and prevent the plane from crashing, they're all still going to be stuck on the island in the 1970's. And if they're stuck on the island in the 1970's, they won't be getting on the plane 30 years from now (then) anyway.

Oh, and I'm pretty proud of myself for this prediction...

Except I don't think it's going to happen. They're going to end up in the present (2007 or whatever) at the end of the next episode or two. That's my prediction.

Well, I'm no big city time travel expert, but...I'm thinking that:

The need for the button pushing would be negated by the destruction of the Swan via hydrogen bomb, BUT...
there may be effects from the bomb (Jughead) that could still cause the crash OR;
No crash will occur, but the events that happened will still have happened TO THE PEOPLE WHO REMAIN ALIVE from the crash insofar as their memories will retain what happened, but the actual event did not, unless they circumvent this by white-lighting everyone into the "future" and make their brain's forget everything they've done for the time since the crash.

How will this get resolved? Fck, I have no clue, but the introduction of the "variable" concept that allows for things to occur in the "past" (which is actually sopme people's future) may allow for things in the future to happen in some people's past, but the repercussion(s) is/are unknown.

Call it pretzel logic. And, yes, I'm sure there are huge holes in my logic/thought process...But that's what I love about this show...it gets you thinking.

My guess is that Lost goes all Greek Tragedy on us and in the survivor's attempts to prevent the plane crash, they end up setting into motions the very events that will cause it. It at least causes the fewest amount of time paradoxes.

But none of this will probably happen anyway. They probably won't prevent the accident from happening....they're just making us think for nothing.

FYP

Yeah, that's what I was saying above. It seems to make the most sense, at least if we're using coherence with respect to time-travel plots as the critical lens. The Greeks have been pulling this stuff since the 500s BC, when Sophocles was using prophecy and fate to get Oedipus to tragically bone his own moms.

I especially like what the writers did with Farraday's narrowly escaping death at the hands of the Dharmans, only to have him murdered by his own mother, which I thought was cool for two primary reasons:

1) Daniel states that he "got lucky," since the bullet just grazed him. In Ancient Greek art, a common maxim was "no man should be considered fortunate until he is dead." Farraday dies, terribly and alone, when he realizes right before his passing that his own mother sent him knowingly and willfully to his death.

2) It's an interesting reversal of the Oedipal myth. Oedipus was sent away by his father, because Oedipus was fated to murder his father and marry his mother. Daniel was sent BACK to the island by his father, so he could be murdered by his mother.

I usually try to stay away from LOSTian analysis, since I just like to watch and have fun, but this episode was too fascinating, and happened to be right in my mythological wheelhouse.

I also appreciate what the LOST writers have done with respect to destiny and fate. Instead of having characters attempt to AVOID their fates, the writers have imbued most of them with an understanding of the irreversibility of destiny. Yes, Sayid attempts to murder a young Benjamin Linus, but at the same time, Jack knows he's fated to be on that island, and instead of running from that destiny, he embraces it.

I am sure I am going to look stupid when the characters start trying to undo history in the next episode, but so far the writers have avoided most of the cliches that infect bad time-travel writing. Nobody is being particularly picky about messing up the past, because they realize they CAN'T mess anything up. Miles spoke to his father. Kate and Sawyer and Juliette, et. al., have interacted with Ben and the rest of the Dharmans.

If I were a real man, I'd post my analysis here more often, but I am not. I am interested in the metaphor and the parallels of the series, but not so much in guessing where the plot is going.

You're all wrong. Jack is going to figure out how to put a flux compasitor into one of the VW buses and then they'll use lightning to generate the 1.21 gigawatts necessary to get them back to the future. Solved.

An old friend of mine is on this show as a very minor character. When Linus was getting Jack to operate on his spine, my friend played one of the Others thugs. He eventually got his neck snapped by Sayid's thighs on the beach. In this past episode, he was there at the Orchid and told Faraday to put on a helmet.

So, how is he at the Orchid in the 70s? WHEN WILL THIS MYSTERY BE SOLVED???

This just completely ****ed the continuity for the show. I'll never watch again...

And, also, having watched some of Star Trek: Voyage Home last night, I don't know why they don't just catapult around the sun to time travel. All that happens is a few bolts shake loose on the ship, McCoy makes a few hayseed smartypants remarks and Spock raises an eyebrow and...BINGO! All problems solved...

Lord knows that catapulting around the sun at warp 10 is the nutz.

i was curious about something jack said about changing the past/future or whatever...that they could "avoid all the misery that's happened to them since they got there" or something like that.

chillin on a beach, playing golf in the jungle, bangin hot chicks, drinkin dharma beer, getting into occasional shootouts with random bad guys and involved in stupid adventures left and right, generally getting away from all of life's mundane/day-to-day problems is misery? sounds pretty f'in good to me

Yeah, good luck getting one of those up to 88 mph.

edit: posted basically what's already been said without reading. whoops. but yeah, i mostly agree with the greek thing.