Sawyer has been reading books since Season 1. I can buy Sawyer being "street smarter" than Jack. Which is what is important when on an island

No, it's been 3 years since Sawyer became head of security and I'm guessing he knows how things go...Jack best be shutting up and doing what he is told until further notice...

i seriously love the way this show is progressing this season.

for all you ppl who cant get enough of lost, visit lostvideorecaps.com . guy who does the videos has some great insights about the show.

I've watched 5 minutes of his recap of "LaFleur", and loving it, dude is smart. Thanks for the site.

Those of you who haven't watched it yet are in for a treat.

Well don't say anything, cause I recorded it and will watch it tomorrow night

I was watching it live online and the feed froze for the last 20 seconds or so. The audio still worked so I could tell what happened, but that was a little frustrating.

That's ok, there wasn't anything interesting during that time period anyways.

That is why I was vague - but how the hell do you open the thread if you haven't watched it?

So no talking about it until he watches it?

Shot through the heart and you're to blame
You give Iraqi prison torturers a bad name

That's not what it sounded like.

Thanks guys, saw it last night


So I guess the Island that wouldn't let people die before doesn't work the same in the 70s?

Babies can be born, people die before they did in the future etc.


Lol that LSD was the truth serum in the 70s...

You gave me...just...the right....AMOUNT!! TEEHEE HEE CACKLE CHORTLE

So if young Ben is now dead, wouldn't that completely change the future? In which case none of what they're showing now would be happening? In which case...

I think young Ben can't be dead.

They haven't fully indicated that what happens in the past affects the future. Earlier on, it looked like all the flashes were happening at the moments where it looked like something would be changed. Once we see the wheel loose and flashing like crazy, I took it to mean that all the flashes were "random," or based on the wheel itself, not so much what was going on on the island. Not that the island wouldn't be able to manage those situations, but you have to assume that at some point, the head Dharma scientist and Miles have run into each other, and if we speculate that he's his son, that island let that happen as well.

Multiple instances of time happening at the same time seems to be pretty plausible, different dimensions and whatnot. It's been a while since I've watched Quantum Leap, so my time-travel concepts could be a bit off, since they weren't right to start with.

Huh?

It's the age-old theoretical problem with time travel. If Sayeed went back in time and killed young Ben, that changes everything from that point forward, resulting in a completely different future than the one we've watched for the past 3 seasons. That means the circumstances that gave rise to Sayeed going back in time and killing young Ben couldn't have arisen, which means what just happened in that episode couldn't have happened. In other words, Sayeed going back in time to kill young Ben makes it impossible for Sayeed to have gone back in time to kill young Ben.

I understand that conundrum, but what if the island is capable of creating alternate realities? What if each place that the "gang" visited when the island was flashing through time was just another separate reality that existed independent of itself? Let's even say that the island is the only place where these realities happen, so in real time 2007, life is still going on ho-hum in the rest of the world, but the Oceanic 815 crew is just stuck traversing different realities. Whatever happens to them in their current state of mind is what actually happens (minus Locke, since he's special), but going back and killing a young Ben only affects that current reality in which they're living, not "real life" or even Ben's current state on the island.

I'm playing the daily double and typing this with the best thought process I can, but I'm sure its a bit scattered.

I'll feel like a jackass when Young Ben just so happened to be wearing a Dharma-issued bulletproof vest.

If Young Ben is not dead, I'll be disappointed. In any case, Sayid should have pumped a few head shots to make sure.

QFMFT.

But that is how you know he isn't dead. And it is Sayid shooting Ben that makes Ben treat Sayid like crap in the future.

I think there's a good chance that young ben is dead.
I got this from that lost video recap site, but in the last episode when the pilot and Sun see Christian in the barracks, the dharma signs on the buildings were still there. So it's very possible with ben dead the "purge" never happened and the others never took over the barracks. Of course this introduces more paradoxical problems.

Well if reality is in a straight line for individuals, then the future they find will be altered by their past actions.

Where's ranthemover when you need him?

I'll let you know later

How do we know the truth serum was LSD?

I think Ben is not dead. If the island can bring Locke back to life and heal his legs when he needs them, why can't it save young Ben from a gunshot?

hello-- I have been away for a couple of weeks--- I have to weigh in on this Kate versus Juliet debate--- there is no choosing sides!

it is like choosing between having a heart or breathing--- you need both!

I say go with a threesome-------- a very long threesome!

Juliet is so not hot, in any reality.

amen

also I was wrong in that the place Sun and the captain went to was not the barracks, it was the orientation place, so that could be why the dharma stuff is still there and lil' ben may be alive after all.

I suppose Ben surviving is the only way they could really get around all the time travel paradox problems. Easier to explain how he survives a shooting than trying to explain everything else if he dies.

Then wouldn't Sayid have recognized Ben in the future?

No, Ben would recognize Sayid though. From Sayid's perspective he does not know Ben until after crashing on the island.

No, because meeting Young Ben was, at the time, in Sayid's future. It was Ben who would have been in the position of recognizing Sayid, having met him when he was young.

This also may explain why Old Ben ended up in 2007...You can't have two instances of yourself in the same time frame. Also, I don't think the Island will let Young Ben die. Don't you remember Ben shooting Locke?


Yet, how does this explain Sun, Frank and Locke?

By the way, it's not going to do you any favours to apply time travel theories from Star Trek, for example, to the LOST world. I'm sure the writers have framed their own theories and will be able to explain things...

I don't think that's true.

Didn't Locke see the light coming up from the hatch and knew to avoid it since he knew it was him and Boone there? And I think at the same time flash Sawyer saw some of their own, I can't remember who, indicating they were in the same time period.

Now my brain hurts.

Meeting a past or future version of yourself would cause a rift in the space-time continuum. That's "Back to the Future" 101.

The Ben/Sayid thing still doesn't make sense. Ben didn't meet Sayid when he was young until Sayid went back in time to meet him. So meeting Sayid was in old Ben's future-past. Of course.

Maybe that's why they got bloody noses....not because they were going back and forth in time, but because there were 2 of themselves on the island at the same time?

What happened to Claire at the end of last season?
She just went for a walk and never came back?

She was with Christian, I believe. Not sure of her present time/location.

She was with Christian in the cabin (I think when Hurley found it?). Also on the website posted last week, I forget by who sorry, the dude showed a freeze frame of when Christain came into the old Dharma building where Sun was, and in the background there was someone sitting there who looked like it could have been Claire.

Hmm, you might be on to something there. The people that got bloody noses were people who had been on the island before, no? Australian chick that died, Asian guy from her group...

Valid




Yes, this may be what happens when you cross paths with a timeline you are already inhabiting.

I feel good about the "not knowing why or how", though. This show has an ability to explain things like that with a certain logic.

She decided she would rather make a Lifetime movie based off a Nora Robert's book.

I'm not going to comment on this week's episode until BG has seen it. But I would like to weigh in on the Kate - Juliet debate. The hottest one is clearly Sun, AINEC.

I'm not really sure what happened at the end, but I liked it.

I was wondering how Kate knew Claire was still alive?

And the scene with Miles and Hurley talking about time travel was hilarious.

Juliet's little doe-eyed innocent look with cheesey grin is pretty annoying

i thought that this was a pretty witty way of dealing with the time travel stuff, actually, since a lot of the audience would be asking hurley's exact questions.

so far, the time travel thing has been dealt with "properly," to my mind, meaning only that i haven't yet gotten all miffed about weird logical ****ups. this is a good thing, imo.


i really wanna watch the scene where sayid tortures ben in the hatch again now. does anyone know which episode this is?

Really liked the Back to the Future references.

So-so episode, but next week's looks great.

I'm pretty sure at the end of last season Sawyer told Kate that Claire just walked off and left Aaron in the jungle so they're assuming she's still alive.



And I totally agree on Miles/Hurley. I'm not sure if they planned that conversation exactly like that, but it sure seemed like the writers were kind of poking fun at how confused the audience must be. They've done that a few times on the show where they incorporate the viewer's theories just as sort of a joke.

I didn't like Miles at first, but now I love pretty much everything he says.

Suppose I could have just read on a little. So, uh, yeah. I agree.