Umm..is this in the wrong thread?

ya, that will definitely be an interesting flashback later on. but if Ben killed Penny I don't know how Desmond wouldn't have just killed the guy...outside of the early seasons, the Others don't seem to have that mysterious super strength (which never got explained).

I'm also wondering why Sayid would be held captive and then sent to Guam? are we supposed to believe that there's a Guantanamo location out there?

any theories on Aaron? does that new character on the plane represent Aaron to fill out the Oceanic Six?

Or the pilot, who was on the island?

my gf thinks this, too.

also, the beer in your avatar is amazing.

I think Ben tried to kill Penny, but we won't know about the degree of success acheived until another week or two has passed. Certainly Desmond would have put up a fight, but didn't those look like scratch marks on Ben's face?

Maybe Ben knows that Penny is a staunch pro-life activist, and instead of killing her, he raped her, knowing she would have to bear his bastard offspring, who most certainly would be able to rule the world one day.

I really must get me one of those crystal ball thingys

Definitely believing the Penny theory, that was my first though. Ben's calling from a marina which adds to it. Plus, it's the only way to keep Desmond in the show imo, because he'll now want to go back to the island to get Ben, and his specialness seems to mean they want him on the show more. And Desmond didn't kill him b/c he's not easy to kill. Ben's bad ass.

Claire's mom is a possibility for Aaron, as is Sawyer's ex w/ his kid. Those are the only two that make sense to me.


I'm impressed w/ the show. 4 seasons they want off the island, they're off for 5 eps and then head right back, but it works. They've done a great job with this program.

Yeah they mentioned something a week or two about Hurley being able to get out of jail b/c of time of death or something on the guy outside the mental hospital.

Also, it would seem that Charlie told Hurley about the plane considering he's carrying the guitar and he talks to dead people.

thanks I missed the reference to Hurley's having a time alibi. This show is melting my brain. I like your theory about Charlie. Makes sense but that means kate was up to something when she left Jack.

This season is fabulous! I will say that I am glad they are back on the island. I need more Sawyer smart ass comments-- I do wonder what will happen to Ben now. Hopefully he was wrong when he thought whoever moves the island can not return.

I'm curious about that too because that would mean Locke can't return. But they are bringing his dead body anyway.

If the island is traveling back in time, then people who were dead would be alive?

so as long as the island is kept back in time beyond Locke's suicide, he would be alive no?




Only thing that realy really bugs me is if Jack thought he was goingback to the island, why didn't he dress in better clothes? A suit tie and dress shoes?

re: trying to be the same as the initial flight. wasn't Jack wearing a suit on the Oceanic flight?

good point-- maybe Locke will be a ghost like jack's Dad. Could this be the start of Locke being the unseen Jacob? Jacob has never been seen-- just heard. I wonder if he has not been seen because Locke was not dead yet-- Ben did say Locke was their new leader. The others all follow Jacob. crazy?

We don't know yet how John left the island, do we? I don't believe that story has been told.

Wasn't that like 2 weeks ago they showed that? He went down the well climbing down the rope when a flash happened, and he fell the rest of the way down hurting his leg. Then Jack's dad helped him to the wheel and it was loose (which is why the island kept jumping in time over and over). He told John that Jacob told him HE had to move the island, not Ben...he then turned the wheel and left the island.

I love that they replay the previous week's episode each week. I picked up a lot of stuff from the last episode, that I didn't really get the first time around due to consuming too much alcohol.

This isn't a spoiler whatsoever but I'm going to put it in the black anyway just so no one reads it inadvertently and is upset.

The first ten minutes of this episode are so freakin' cool. Missed Locke, he's such a badass and I can't decide if him or Ben are the best characters on the show.

Locke is cool but Ben is the man! You can not believe a thing he says, although he very seldom lies. He just tells you what he wants you to know. But what he says is usually the truth. He allows you to misinterpret what he says. Classic example:

Jack: Did locke come see you?
Ben: No.

Next epsiode-- Jack: you said Locke did not come to see you.
Ben: Thats right, Jack. I went to see him.

Classic--- The scene when he visit Locke in the motel room made me drop my beer! WOW!

does anyone understand why Ben killed Locke instead of just letting him kill himself? was it the mention of whatshername that compelled him to do it, and if so why?

My thinking is Ben wanted to get back to the island, but didn't know the way. He needed to get THAT info from Locke. He knew the only way he could do that is by convincing Locke that Whitmore is still the bad guy and Ben is the good guy. That allows Locke to trust Ben enough to tell him the way to get off. Then Ben kills Locke (since he was supposed to die like Richard said) and Ben uses the death of Locke to round the troops up (just like Richard said).

This show is just unbelievably good this year.

I love how Whitmore remembers the encounter with Locke when he was in the army.

I can not wait for this war that Whitmore mentioned coming up.

Good episode.
I just hate that last episode they all got back to the island at the end of the show. I was hoping this episode was everyone back on the island with a little of the flashbacks (back to normal). Instead this whole episode was flashbacks to the past and virtually nothing from the Island.

one thing that was answered last night-- I think --- was why when ben moved the island he went james bond on those guys in the desert from last season. I guess he knew that they were Charles Widmore's men. He killed them before they killed him. It seemed so wierd at the time but with the video cameras when locke landed there it made sense

I don't even remember the scene you are talking about. I remember Ben waking up in the desert like John but that is it.

Interesting to see if John forgives Ben for killing him. I'm sure Ben will be using the "Jacob told me to excuse", because it was the only way to get everyone back.
Should be an interesting episode next week.

Ben landed in the desert and the two guys approach by Jeep, yelling at Ben to put his hands up. Ben then makes a move on a gun and kills both men. Something like that--- can't remeber it in exact detail. Maybe somebody that has it on DVD can give more specific details. I just remember thinking that Ben is James Bond but why kill these guys instantly. When the video cameras were revealed Ben obviously knew about them. Thus killing the men who approached ( assuming they were widmore's goons). Of course next week they will tell me I am wrong as usual-- such a complex show!

I can't remember how Locke knew about Eloise Hawking - he mentioned in the motel room that he had to see her?

I'm not sure, but did Christian (Jack's dad) tell him after he fell down the well?

i think that's right(man i really add some keen insight)

Here's the scene with Ben you guys are talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_YFevALgug...feature=related

Kinda weird that when Ben was transported ro whatever there is no camera.

nice find--- that is the scene. I agree no cameras--- maybe ben was just defending himself. I love the quote in the comment section of the video: If there was a fight between Jack Baur and Chuck Norris, Ben Linus would win!" LOL---

So awesome that Ben made Locke go from wanting to commit suicide to wanting to live, then killed him.


My favorite moment for sure, and I think Locke will forgive him considering Locke was told he had to die to make everything work so it was just fulfilling his destiny which he's a huge fan of.

funny how Ben can go around killing people(Locke, the driver guy who spooked Hurley), Sayid was rolling around being a hitman for a while knocking off whoever...and there's never any trouble with cops or witnesses etc.

yea i mean the black smoke monsters, an impossible cover up of a plane crash by Widmore, and a dissapearing island that travels through time and space was fine, but this is preposterous.

haha, well obviously most of the show is preposterous. i just thought it was funny that people are clippin other people all over the place and nobody ever notices

weren't the cops after Hurley and Sayid for a couple episodes?

hmm, well i guess that's true. i'll just shut up now

that's not necessarily true. our camera view of Ben might not have shown the Widmore cameras. otherwise, Widmore found out about the portal location after Ben already arrived. I'm under the assumption that the Locke storyline simply showed us more that the Ben storyline didn't.

I have to say the the Jeremy Bentham episode is one of the saddest Lost has produced and I mean that in a good way. Seeing Locke stripped down to the bare essentials and depressed and on the verge of suicide is, I believe, a deliberate reference to the despair attributed to Jesus Christ after his apostles denied him.

An absolutely stellar acting turn for Terry O'Quinn (hope he gets an Emmy nod for this episode).

As episodic as it was (each visit being a tiny episode), it could have been dull, but leading off with the apparent resurrection allowed us some breathing room and Lost continues to feed us the improbable in deliciously concrete methods.

Has there really ever been any other TV show that is as in-depth as Lost is?

The intertwining relationships between different characters on different episodes in different places and times. The fact that it is just one jumbled story being unscrambled an episode at a time.

Green Acres comes to mind

And they did a superb job getting it into that jumbled mess in the first place.

My wife started watching it with me in for the first season and a half. She asked me a couple of weeks ago what was going on in it. Told her they were off the island but trying to get back. She asked why. I said because they have too. Conversation ended there. Definitely not a show you can explain to someone who doesn't watch it.

Yea, pretty impossible to explain without one thing having to lead to another to another...

The correct answer is "maybe you should have kept watching it."

My theory is that Lock travelled back to ancient Nazereth during one of those flashes, and his story inspired Jesus.

One thing (that probably doesn't matter at all) that I didn't understand was why the new plane crash survivors were so suspicious of Locke because he was in a suit. The lady at the very beginning mentioned it to Caesar like it was a big deal and then brought it up again in the morning when she gave Locke a mango - something about whether he remembered why he was dressed so nice.

Is there some FAA regulation I wasn't aware of that outlaws flying to Guam in a suit?

I think it's more that nobody noticed a well dressed man on the plane. not just the suit itself

Widmore probably had a vague idea of a few places. So he had guys search all over, once Ben arrived and attacked the two guards, Widmore figured out that this was the exit place. Ben never killed the second guard so he probably gave a description of Ben. Widmore then invests heavily in this area with cameras and the guards horses are replaced with jeeps.
I think.


edit: this has already been mentioned I think but this explains why Polar bear skeletons were found in the desert, they used to turn the wheel and end up at the exit.

Yeah, there weren't many people on the flight so that makes sense. It just seemed weird to me that they mentioned it twice within the first five minutes of the show.

Special appearance by ZZ Top in the works???

yes, dharma initiative merlot. those guys make everything