Oh, boy!

tonight's first hour will be great, second hour less good, and next week will be one of the best ever.

who was the lady in the church?

the lady that sold desmond the ring, imo



really, really great episode. i'm so glad that this show decided to kick ass again after that little lull in season 3.

Weeeee!

oh yeah, forgot about her.

i was kinda hoping for some dharma initiative...the opening scene was a big tease

Yeah, the opening scene was really the only one that was revealing in my opinion. The time travel stuff was interesting but was expected, and the mainland adventures with Hurley and such seemed to be a bit fluffy. Yes, I understand that the show is trying to convey that these people don't belong back in real society, but still, it came close to being boring.

But I'm still super excited about the season.

Question:

Why were the survivors the only ones who time traveled? Or do we not know that for sure? Are the hostiles/others or whatever jumping through time as well?

Survivors were the only ones traveling. Although I enjoyed the episode, the time travel thing is on the verge of going too far, much like they did with Heroes, it was too much. I hope they reign it in with a good explanation.

The one thing I did not like is when they showed the sonar image of below the Orchid, it showed the wheel. What was that all about?

I guess the wheel is either really old or was put there by someone in the future?

Was Locke travelling independently through time or was he just spatially separated from the others?

Pretty sure it was spatially separated.

Can someone refresh me on the lady who sold desmond a ring and who she is?

Also, I'm about 90% sure that the whole premise of this series was written a long time ago and that the time travel is not comparable to heroes. The whole reason this show is so popular is because the first seasons had you asking WTF is going on and obviously the answers are going to be just as out of the ordinary.

I don't think she's ever had her purpose/role fully explained, but she's always been signaled as pretty high-up in importance.

Thanks I really dont remember her at all. When did Desmond meet her and what was the ring all about?

This should help you remember. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking

sawyer is going to bang juliet. you heard it here first(unless someone else posted it on a different thread)

So, is this thought rational in any way?

I was thinking about what Faraday said, that when in a different time, you can NOT interfere with someone. Well he interfered with Desmond at the Hatch. Is this a possible explanation as to why Desmond an see events that happen, before they happen?

Because somehow with him coming in to contact with people from the future, that somehow throws off everything and he gets memories from events from the future?

Any possibility that this could be somewhat correct?

I really do not like the time travel plotline line but they are certainly pulling it off. It could have derailed the show but is seems to flow nicely. Unfortunately every week this show makes me confused. ( in a good way)

I wish I could answers other peoples questions but I only have more questions like:


Faraday has been to the island before? The opening scene really threw me for a loop.

Sun holds Kate responsible for Jin's death? Didn't it seem like she was insincere with Kate?

Locke is not really dead? Or will the island bring him back?

So Locke knew about the drug plane crash because he had been there before? He had taken Boone there in a previous season.

Ben-- I love this character. But is he good or bad? What is his motivation? Locke replaced him as leader. I keep changing my opinion after each of his scenes.

The asian guy who can talk to dead people. How did he find the pig that had been dead only a few hours? Anyone have any any ideas to his background?



All I can say is wow. Great start to the new season---

The survivors would not have been on the island when it traveled back a year, so they couldn't just 'fit in' with their old life, like Desmond was doing when he went back in time and was himself as a soldier with only temp flashes into his future life?

So the Others travel back, but they inhabit their bodies of that time?, to prevent there from being two of them at the same time?




Why did Ben get teleported to the same place that the polar bear skeleton was dug up by the Brit chick?


Woulnd't Jin have to bring the baby back since it was inside of her when she left, and Aaron is suppose to go back also? I mean a baby in the womb is still a life, or is Lost trying to make a statment about abortion?

This hasn't been confirmed in the show, but its most likely because they have "moved" the island before, but back then they had trained a polar bear to turn the wheel instead.

Locke intefered with Ethan and Richard so not too sure about that. Desmond is a miracle, an exception (to the whatever the hell they are) rules.

Just kill the ginger english chick already, shes screwed we get it. They will all start dropping likes flies, juliets nose will start bleeding drama etc.

I had fallen out of love with the show but was going to see it through, these first two episodes have me delighted and I'm completely back on board.



I'm in love with this quote. You kill me.

All the questions you guys have just make my head hurt trying to figure out. I liked the premier, but I pretty much decided that I'm not really going to fully understand all the time travel stuff even when they attempt to answer all these questions.

I'm pretty happy with how they're shaping things for now, definitely more than I was at the beginning of Season 4. For some reason I didn't like any of the freighter people and that whole storyline annoyed me, but I'm coming around. Miles especially. For some reason, I love his character now.

i'm pretty sure that the basic arc of the storyline/questions/answers was completely written before the first episode was fully written. at least i read that somewhere a while back, i think.

Yes, the creators have said from very early on that they had a plan for the entire story arc and that it had an end point, and that all would be understood in the end. They're surely filling in details and making some stuff up as it progresses but I don't think this is going the way of Heros (how sad btw).




Yeah, something like that is probably right I think.



That is a very good point, I hadn't thought of that.

Who was that guy on the beach that was just annoying everyone? I was like who the eff is this guy, must be a redshirt, and then sure enough he is torched within a minute or so.

i think that this has to do with the "consciousness being unstuck in time" thing that faraday talked about during the episode with the mouse and the maze, etc. i'd guess that they're making some sort of statement about the essence of human-ness or some shit. i'll figure that out after a joint or seven, though.



i'd imagine that this is just some essential part of moving the island--you move that bitch, you go to weird desert place in tunisia or wherever.




i was actually wondering the same thing here. if aaron has to go back, it seems that sun's baby would have to as well.

or maybe JJ abrams is just pwning conservatives subtly, i'm not sure.

awesome ep. Yeah, time travel's nuts, but the whole damn show's been nuts so hey whatever. Miles talks to the dead, cabins move around. Ghosts come back to life. I don't really see time travel being the jump the shark element. Plus they've been setting it up quite well, it's not out of the blue at all so you gotta just love it.

English ginger needs a constant, and since she's already been to the island before this trip, she should be able to find one easily. Daniel needs to stop being a puss and help her find one.

Wouldn't miss her if she died though. Pasty annoying chick quota is already met w/ Juliet IMO. I don't need the both of them.

And to earlier poster, yes, Sawyer and Juilet's going to happen. I agree though I don't like it.

A couple of comments and questions, I suppose...

Faraday: He was able to get Desmond to answer because they are BOTH "special" and it becomes a question of filling in the empty grids of knowledge vis-a-vis what they both know in the past and/or present about what's going on

Charlotte: Needs a constant, yes, but who could it possibly be? And take note of WHEN she started to bleed from the nose: When they were in the past (I think) when the hatch was intact. In the "future", I think she already has a constant but doesn't know who it is. Also, I think (confirmation, please?) she was born on the island.

...thought I had more, but my nose started bleeding and I forgot what I was going to ask...

At the end of last season she mentioned something to Faraday about wanting to stay there because she was still looking for where she was born, so yes.

ergo, she should be able to find something/someone on the island to make a constant.

charlotte is faraday's daughter

Great episode again tonight!

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I kind of get the feeling that Faraday's mother is the weird chick that Ben was talking to (that wouldn't sell Desmond the engagement ring).

From last week:

What is Sun up to? What did she and Widmore talk about? I am suspicious of her overall motives and the reason for her to contact Kate...

From this week:

Widmore!

Juliette knows more than she's letting on...

Penny knows more than she's letting on...as in, she knows it's a bad idea for her to go to LA, but she's going anyway. Perhaps it is a neccesary occurence.

What was the name of the guy that Locke asked for at the others camp in the past? (This happened just after he arrived at the camp and was greeted with all the guns) Was that a name of someone from the future? I tried to remember the name when I heard it last night but I forgot already.

Something that is bugging me-- Isn't Desmond, Faraday's constant? It seems that last season Faraday had that written in his book? Is that how he could get Desmond to open the hatch?

Richard Alpert?

He travels time....A LOT

In one of Locke's flashbacks, he visits Locke when he is a kid.

There are countless other Eps. that he is in.

No matter the ego, any writer worth his salt is going to do *anything* to write infants out of action/adventure scripts as soon as humanly possible. Cripples, infants... trust me.. That's hollywood for ya.. Locke got right out of his wheelchair, Walt "disappeared" pretty durn quick, and already they are threatening to take Aaron away.. Oh, and Sun's kid is already "at grandma's"..

It's a necessary evil. Accept it.



I had the same exact thought. I fear for her safety based on Daniel's profession of love for her. Romances don't exactly end well on the island.



That's friggin genius. I like it. Wouldn't that make John Locke's obvious constant Richard? But Richard doesn't recognize Locke in 1954... makes me wonder if there is a set limit on what a constant can do/be used for.

No not that guy "Richard Alpert" a different guy from the other camp. This guy never had a line in the whole show besides telling Locke his name.
I'll have to watch it again when it shows the repeat next week.
When he first walked into the camp and surrounded by all the guns he asked someone in the crowd their name and I thought Locke gave a "I know you in the future" look when he heard it.
If I was American I could just watch online.
Not the guy below.

i think you're referring to a young Charles Widmore, who was apparently a member of Alpert's "other military" or whatever they were in 1954

he didn't travel in time to visit Locke as a kid. a few years after this meeting with Locke, he obviously went there to visit him. I believe the compass was one of the objects he showed young Locke who picked the knife if I'm remember this all correctly.

no idea about the whole not aging thing though. we're learning A LOT this season. pretttaaaay prettaaaayyyy cool

i don't think that he travels in time, but just doesn't age. remember that juliet said that he was "really old," and he didn't seem to be able to grasp locke's justification for being there (in the past) very easily at all, which he would if he was "used" to time traveling himself, imo.

also, after the second season when they did that "lost experience" online game (yes, i played it. i'm a nerd.), one of the dharma initiative's stated projects was the prolonging of human life. i'd guess that richard was some sort of guinea pig for that and that something happened during that process that made him go against dharma.

I think we glossed right over the point about charlotte being faraday's daughter. That kinda makes sense.

i agree. that would explain why he said he loved her and then acted all weird when she looked like she wanted to do him afterward.

He could tell Desmond b/c Desmond's special, not b/c he's his constant. Desmond's been outside of time before, seen the future etc...it's the hatch radiation that's really altered him into what he's become imo.



And how obvious is it that they're setting up a huge reveal around the ginger by Daniel not talking to her about constants? He jumps on a phone call and tells Desmond in one second, but he can't tell this chick he loves. That's purely a story device. (Though I don't think shes Farraday's daughter, and yeah the old weird lady is his mom)


Last thing, Widmore says to Ben in S. 4 'It's my island, it's always been my island.' Tonight that makes sense, I liked that a lot.



Seriously last one, anyone else notice Jin's name continues to appear in the opening credits? Interesting.

jin will be back next week or the week after at the latest

I loved the Widmore part. After he said his name, before the scene cut to Locke, I rewound it and watched it again to be sure. Good stuff, and it seems like everything is slowly falling into place, one good piece of information at a time.

Really enjoying the beginning to this season, and Farraday's character is just terrific. Bringing new characters to the show has always been hit or miss, but he's great. Especially since he either got that poor vegetable-ish girl either stuck in time travel, or just made her pure nuts, and then bolted.

I'm not sure why I'm spoilering this but will anyway because NC did.. but we know Jin didn't die from the ship explosion because in a flash forward He got to the hospital right after Sun gave birth to his baby.

Nope. That was an unclear flash, whether it was forward or back. Jin got to the hospital as the wife of a business colleague of Sun's father gave birth. It presented itself as a flashback, but we're not positive.

Ohhhhh I wondered what was going on, because the dude said it was a girl but Sun had a boy (or vice versa I forget). Thanks.

The important thing is you stated what you thought as fact without any fact checking.

You being snotty? How can you fact check this show? I think he's just "talkin'", ya know?