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Javery17
I know its a relatively small sample but if you see any major leaks or anything that seems off please let me know. Also if you see anything important not included. All hands are at 6 max tables.


Limit ....................VP$IP PFR W$WSF WTSD W$SD AF AFq ....3Bet Fold 3B Att To Steal Fold BB to Steal Fold SB to Steal
$0.10 NL (6 max) 25.54 11.42 42.19 29.27 55.77 2.08 43.88 4.15 53.76 16.92 71.19 80.22

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P.S. Any other ways besides copy and paste data out of PT3 would be great. I understand this is a little difficult to read.
Cappy37
You're almost achieving a full 10bb/100 hands in the last 3/4 of your sample, so it looks like you are ironing your own kinks out very well.

Your graph is an exceedingly positive trend. I'm sure I'm just the first of many who's going to tell you to move up a level as soon as you feel you are mentally ready. Your results seem fine, especially since you're running 25/11 at 6max.

You may want to play around with defending your BB a bit more and folding to a 3bet a bit less. You may be getting pushed around a bit much establishing your image. Widening up your range a bit will help you get your solid hands paid a bit more frequently as well.

But I'm certainly no expert. Check out the New Challenge thread in Gen Poker for some more experienced NLHE Cash brains to pick. They live for dissecting graphs and data smile.gif
JoeyFinngars
In PT2 how do you bring up the graph that you have shown above? I have done this before but can't figure it out right now.
meservery
QUOTE (Javery17 @ Monday, January 5th, 2009, 8:10 PM) *
P.S. Any other ways besides copy and paste data out of PT3 would be great. I understand this is a little difficult to read.

Don't do a regular copy. You can take a screen shot of your whole screen by hitting "CTRL + Print Screen"

Then open up Paint and paste that in. Adjust the image to just show what you want and then save it as a JPEG.
Giggidy
QUOTE (Javery17 @ Tuesday, January 6th, 2009, 1:10 AM) *
I know its a relatively small sample but if you see any major leaks or anything that seems off please let me know. Also if you see anything important not included. All hands are at 6 max tables.


Limit ....................VP$IP PFR W$WSF WTSD W$SD AF AFq ....3Bet Fold 3B Att To Steal Fold BB to Steal Fold SB to Steal
$0.10 NL (6 max) 25.54 11.42 42.19 29.27 55.77 2.08 43.88 4.15 53.76 16.92 71.19 80.22

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P.S. Any other ways besides copy and paste data out of PT3 would be great. I understand this is a little difficult to read.


Assuming i've read it right

Don't limp - your gap between VPIP and PFR should be about 2, ie you're not open limping hands
4% 3bet seems a little nitty, but if you're just getting started that's not too bad
Att to steal is way too low, be more aggressive in position
Javery17
QUOTE (Giggidy @ Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 2:57 PM) *
Assuming i've read it right

Don't limp - your gap between VPIP and PFR should be about 2, ie you're not open limping hands

4% 3bet seems a little nitty, but if you're just getting started that's not too bad
Att to steal is way too low, be more aggressive in position


According to the pokertracker for beginners in the strat forum
VP$IP - Voluntarily put $ in Pot - The typical range is between 15 and 20, But this isn't Uniform. You should be tight from Earlier Positions and play more hands in Late Position.

PFR - Preflop Raise percentage - Typically this should be between 7-10, If you're <7 You're not playing aggresively enough and if your >10 You could be playing too aggresively.

And that's for 9 handed tables. If my VPIp and PFR is 2 away It seems I would either be playing way to tight or raising way too much.
Giggidy
QUOTE (Javery17 @ Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 10:01 PM) *
According to the pokertracker for beginners in the strat forum
VP$IP - Voluntarily put $ in Pot - The typical range is between 15 and 20, But this isn't Uniform. You should be tight from Earlier Positions and play more hands in Late Position.

PFR - Preflop Raise percentage - Typically this should be between 7-10, If you're <7 You're not playing aggresively enough and if your >10 You could be playing too aggresively.

And that's for 9 handed tables. If my VPIp and PFR is 2 away It seems I would either be playing way to tight or raising way too much.


Or pokertracker forums are gash smile.gif

Don't apply FR numbers to a 6m game - the typical tight-agressive (TAG) stats are somewhere around 19/17

You should be MORE aggro in shorter handed games. DUCY?
Dictius
I agree with everything Giggidy said.

Those stats you quoted are for a full ring game and can't really be translated easily to 6max.
I would say something like 13/11 is pretty nitty but still fairly solid if you are raising a lot in position, a typical TAG is about 19/17 and anything above 23/19 is on the loose side.

Your stats are certainly not terrible but I think the main thing to work on is playing more aggressively in position as your att to steal is quite low.

I wouldn't be defending my blinds any more than you are at the moment.
SCS
The pokertracker for beginners thread is only good for telling you what the stats mean. The actually ranges they give aren't relevant to today's NL 6 max games.

The gap between your vpip and pfr is too large. Tighten up, especially UTG. Don't open limp.

3 bet more hands. You should generally be 3 betting your entire range on the button vs a co raise, unless villain is a nit, or you have fish in the blinds you want to keep in.

Attempt to steal should be 30+. Start opening more from the button and co. If you have a nit in the big blind start raising any 2 cards when folded to you in the small blind.

Stop defending your blinds. Just fold them.
Javery17
Okay guys thanks a lot I'll keep all that in mind.
With the looks of these do you think giving a shot at 25nl with 19 BI is okay? or should I stay at 10nl and continue to work out the kinks?
Giggidy
QUOTE (Javery17 @ Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 10:54 PM) *
Okay guys thanks a lot I'll keep all that in mind.
With the looks of these do you think giving a shot at 25nl with 19 BI is okay? or should I stay at 10nl and continue to work out the kinks?


Get out of 10nl ASAP, the rake is rediculous
Javery17
QUOTE (Giggidy @ Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 4:01 PM) *
Get out of 10nl ASAP, the rake is rediculous

550$ over the 10k hands. Yikes.
Dictius
QUOTE (Javery17 @ Friday, January 9th, 2009, 9:54 AM) *
Okay guys thanks a lot I'll keep all that in mind.
With the looks of these do you think giving a shot at 25nl with 19 BI is okay? or should I stay at 10nl and continue to work out the kinks?


Take a shot at $25NL definitely.
I'd move back down to $10NL if I fell back to ~$300.
kkot
QUOTE (JoeyFinngars @ Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 3:18 PM) *
In PT2 how do you bring up the graph that you have shown above? I have done this before but can't figure it out right now.

Pokergrapher

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=93837
Sens-Eh
Your PFR is way to low compared to your VIP...I don't mind your VIP at all for 6 max games(though that's not my game). I know in microlimit games there are more limpers - thus giving you more opportunities to limp behind yourself more often - but even so your PFR shouldn't be that low. Allow yourself to limp behind someone else with small pairs or suited aces if you like, but try not to ever be the first limper - instead of limping that hand open the pot with a raise or just fold - if you fold some of those hands, you will make up for them by making more steals from better position(see below).

You are defending your blinds enough - don't worry about defending them more then that I don't think.

You do need to steal more - shoot for 30% instead of the 17% you have.
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