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jmbreslin
Very sticky spot - do you just let this go on the flop?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 8, 4, 5
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (4 SB) 3, A, 3 (4 players)
SB bets, Hero ???
Shark527
It looks pretty but I think a fold here is correct.

SB leading into the field here is always strong, he is reppin at least a 3 here, if not the A3. Your drawing to a 2 here for half at best.
rvrchsrhtr
If I'm at a passive table where I'm pretty sure nobody is raising after me I'd probably call and re-evaluate on turn
jmbreslin
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Monday, December 1st, 2008, 7:54 AM) *
If I'm at a passive table where I'm pretty sure nobody is raising after me I'd probably call and re-evaluate on turn


Aside from a 2 there aren't many (or any) cards I really want to see on the turn. The reason I ask about dumping on the flop is that even if I hit my flush I could end up losing the high to a boat.
shpaget
Yeah, probably fold.

Even if you're certain the other two overcall on the flop, I think a fold is still correct.


There are only three cards that give you any real chance at a scoop...and none of them guarantee even taking half the pot. Two of them give you the third low.

The four or five of diamonds give you the nut flush, and a really ugly low....probably the two worst cards to see because they have the most potential of giving you second best on both halves of the pot.



You have three outs....sometimes...to scoop....otherwise, you're looking at runner runner from four diamonds and four ducks.


You have nine outs...sometimes...to win half the pot.

You have four outs to win half the post...most times.

No matter how you look at it, the math ain't there.


When all is said and done, for the number of times your "outs" still make you halved, quartered, or zeroed, you may have one clean out to win this pot.



rvrchsrhtr
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Monday, December 1st, 2008, 9:16 AM) *
Aside from a 2 there aren't many (or any) cards I really want to see on the turn. The reason I ask about dumping on the flop is that even if I hit my flush I could end up losing the high to a boat.


I don't think this guy has to have the boat to bet here does he? I could see arguments for any option since the pot is so small, but I don't think you have to fold
jmbreslin
QUOTE (rvrchsrhtr @ Monday, December 1st, 2008, 3:35 PM) *
I don't think this guy has to have the boat to bet here does he? I could see arguments for any option since the pot is so small, but I don't think you have to fold


Not at this point but any time the board is paired on the flop we have to be concerned about an eventual boat, especially when the pot is multi-way. Given the potential danger of getting stuck with 2nd best (or worse) in both directions, I'm wondering if the best move is just to cut and run early.
MovingIn
This actually a good hand to post. This is such a tough spot because quite often at this low level, you're good one or both ways when the draw comes in. But in a 4 way pot, I don't blame you for cutting and running. I can see at least one of the three villains waking up with the nuts in at least one direction.
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