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Shark527
PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.04 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8 icon_suit_spade.gif, 2 icon_suit_club.gif, 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 3 icon_suit_club.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Hero (poster) calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls

Flop: (18 SB) J icon_suit_spade.gif, A icon_suit_diamond.gif, J icon_suit_heart.gif (9 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 4 folds

Turn: (11.5 BB) 6 icon_suit_spade.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls

River: (16.5 BB) 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls

Total pot: $1.34 (33.5 BB) | Rake: $0.04

This my very first hand at the table and posted one after the button. I might normally limp this in a very late position in a multiway pot so I was alright with calling another bet.

My key card hit on the flop and being so multiway, I feel I can safely assume the rest of the Aces are dead and I can count out a couple 2's and 3's in their hands. I feel I can call the flop and continue with the hand if I good low card turns. Basically if I feel I'm getting a great price to see a turn.

How spewy is a move like this or is it math justified?
Cappy37
turn call is automatic with pot size.. dunno if I cap that river. not a drawy board so you're obviously not the only low. You may be the only one with the nut low, but I wouldn't cap on that assumption here.

PF is rough.. Sucks to be a poster there, i think you're fairly safe in assuming you'll be getting 141543535-1 on that call if it's not raised behind you.

I'd toss on the flop. chasing a single backdoor nut draw is a nono. Can't guarantee seeing the turn for a single bet.
antistuff
you have enough on the flop to chase, the only problem is that you absolutly need to see the turn for one bet and you aren't closing the action.

with four players in and the low being backdoor i cap the river also.
Cappy37
QUOTE (antistuff @ Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 6:38 PM) *
with four players in and the low being backdoor i cap the river also.


on 2nd thought, I agree with this a lot.
rvrchsrhtr
I'd prob toss it on the flop, but if you know everyone else is passive I guess it's ok. Other than that it's fine as played IMO
Kendren
Flop is mehish, you're getting a great BD price but with so many behind and no reads (you're a poster, so I'm assuming this is the first hand) it's close.

Turn, perfect card, lesse river.

River, I'm not BIG on capping, but you'd be very unlucky to get quartered, and you'd even still make money if you did.
shpaget
As far as the river is concerned - I think with four other players seeing the river, capping the river is a must...you still profit even if you're quartered.


BUT...look at the flop. The flop where you yourself question chasing the nut low.


That works in your favour....most people would fold 32 if they didn't have a piece of the high.


You'd have to be extremely unlucky to get quartered. The guys who stuck around are chasing the high.


Generally speaking I hate chasing only half the pot (let's face it, even a rivered 8 likely doesn't give you the high), but with that many opponents, and no reason to believe any of them are going after the low, you're contributing 20% of the pot to win 50%.


And, even for those times you get quartered, if you can get 5 BB's out of the guys who don't have the nut low, you're still ahead.

The once in a blue moon you actually scoop this pot is gravy.
Shark527
There was no second thought at all of not capping the river if I make low.

I'm drawing to half the deck on the turn to make my nut low draw. My thinking is that with it being the nut low and backdoor, with that many others in the pot on that board, it is a battle of high hands and my low is taking half. I need to jam as much money in as possible.
Cappy37
QUOTE (shpaget @ Wednesday, November 19th, 2008, 1:51 PM) *
That works in your favour....most people would fold 32 if they didn't have a piece of the high.


Not at that limit. Good playters look for reasons to fold, bad players look for reasons to play.

QUOTE (shpaget @ Wednesday, November 19th, 2008, 1:51 PM) *
You'd have to be extremely unlucky to get quartered. The guys who stuck around are chasing the high.


Yeah, the whole rest of the field has some major high draw with a JJA rainbow flop. That's quite a bit of optimism.
MovingIn
Don't chase runner runner lows, even the nut low. You're drawing to half the pot, and to a longshot at that. You may not even be drawing for just one small bet and one big bet if someone wants to raise. You got very lucky here.
antistuff
QUOTE (MovingIn @ Saturday, November 22nd, 2008, 11:58 AM) *
Don't chase runner runner lows, even the nut low. You're drawing to half the pot, and to a longshot at that. You may not even be drawing for just one small bet and one big bet if someone wants to raise. You got very lucky here.


he has the odds he needs to draw to a runner runner low here. the only problem is that he isn't closing the action. if you are folding this hand on this flop getting 22 to 1 closing the action you are making a mistake.
MovingIn
Really? He has the odds to call one small bet and one big bet, more if raised, to draw to half the pot? He ended up getting implied odds here, because the river was capped once he hit, but assuming ideal circumstances (as you mentioned, closing the action) can we assume we get heavy enough action on the river to go for half the pot?
antistuff
QUOTE (MovingIn @ Saturday, November 22nd, 2008, 5:32 PM) *
Really? He has the odds to call one small bet and one big bet, more if raised, to draw to half the pot? He ended up getting implied odds here, because the river was capped once he hit, but assuming ideal circumstances (as you mentioned, closing the action) can we assume we get heavy enough action on the river to go for half the pot?


i forgot exactly what it is, but im certain its below 22 to 1 on the flop. i think you're 18% to make a backdoor low here.
MovingIn
Ah, you're correct, sir. 5.2 to 1 to make the backdoor low. I stand corrected then.
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