no reads right now. guys line really looked strong I had no idea what to do and Idk what thehell to make of it.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1120
UTG+1: t1565
MP1: t1655
MP2: t1635
MP3: t1450
Hero: t1610
Button: t1450
SB: t1610
BB: t1437.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with K A
UTG raises to t60, 2 folds, MP2 calls t60 (pot was t105), MP3 folds, Hero raises to t200, 3 folds, UTG calls t140 (pot was t365), MP2 calls t140 (pot was t505).

Flop: 4 8 2 (t645, 3 players)
UTG bets t300. Hero??

Seems like a straightforward fold to me.

He most likely flatted a mid-pair here pre-flop so I would lay down the AK unimproved.

was my preflop raise ok? I'm usually uber paranoid of min-raisers esp. utg I wasn't even wanting to raise him and other people say I raised too small.

Ok I know that people's answer is to fold here.

Now this is a tactic that I have picked up from some players here and for the most part it does tend to work, sometimes it doesn't, but it does seem to work a high percentage of the time. Insta-shove. This is not about math or if you're ahead or behind, it's just flat out pure aggression. Most of the times players will put out a smallish-feeler bet like that and sometimes a shove will force them to fold their hand. But this has to be on a small somewhat uncoordinated board. You can't really do it with any board. You also would have to have some kind of read on the player. You don't really have to have AK for this play to work.

that's how i used to roll lol
somewhere along the lines of being a nit for so long i've lost that kind of cut throat play style

This early the pot is not worth putting your stack in jeopardy. Maybe if this was later with antes then the shove might be OK to win a much bigger pot.

Id make it 240 pre. I think I fold the flop, although in the later stages of a tourney Id probably shove

Surprisingly it still works. It works even better if you have the image of a nit.

Stage #1318617280 Tourney ID 2100802 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $150 - 2008-11-10 22:07:09 (ET)
Table: 59 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 1 - SAXTONRD ($8692.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - ROLLEDUPMAMA ($10405 in chips)
Seat 3 - FLOPSTHENUTS ($6965 in chips)
Seat 5 - MATTIEMOTORS ($6010 in chips)
Seat 6 - EXRIDER56 ($14912.50 in chips)
Seat 7 - 1G0TASSRAKED ($6590 in chips)
Seat 8 - NELLIE50 ($7662.50 in chips)
Seat 9 - KIWISLICK ($4845 in chips)
MATTIEMOTORS - Posts small blind $75
EXRIDER56 - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 1G0TASSRAKED [Kc Ah]
1G0TASSRAKED - Raises $450 to $450
NELLIE50 - Folds
KIWISLICK - Folds
SAXTONRD - Folds
ROLLEDUPMAMA - Folds
FLOPSTHENUTS - Folds
MATTIEMOTORS - Calls $375
EXRIDER56 - Calls $300
*** FLOP *** [10d 4h 4s]
MATTIEMOTORS - Bets $1350
EXRIDER56 - Folds
1G0TASSRAKED - All-In(Raise) $6140 to $6140
MATTIEMOTORS - Folds
1G0TASSRAKED - returned ($4790) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1G0TASSRAKED - Does not show
1G0TASSRAKED Collects $4050 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4050)
Board [10d 4h 4s]
Seat 1: SAXTONRD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: ROLLEDUPMAMA Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: FLOPSTHENUTS (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MATTIEMOTORS (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: EXRIDER56 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 7: 1G0TASSRAKED collected Total ($4050) All-In HI:($4050) [Does not show]
Seat 8: NELLIE50 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: KIWISLICK Folded on the POCKET CARDS

nh. lol

Re: shoving the flop. I know that a lot of people do this, because I have picked off bluffs like this many a time. But of course I don't know how many other times I've folded the best hand in such a circumstance. It's hard for me to imagine it's very profitable though: either the pot is small, and you don't get that much compared to the risk you put yourself in, or the pot is big, and it's a lot harder to make the villain fold as he's pretty well pot committed.

I do like shoving AK preflop in a wider variety of cases than others might, because you get all five cards to hit and don't have to worry about just these kinds of situations (where you might be getting bluffed by AQ). But only having two streets to hit, and having already given your opponent(s) a chance to see where they stand...not so much.

If it's a smallish pot, I'll gladly let it go. But if there is a significant amount then I'm more than willing to shove the flop over a feeler/blocker bet.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

3 times last night i've got shoved on in 180s, CBing against a single opponent while holding TT+ on baby rag boiards.. All 3 times I called. All *3* times the f*ckers had AK and spiked on me on the turn or river.

I blame Gallo.