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king_tanner
THIS SHOW IS GOLD!!! Probably my new favorite reality show.

You know you have a lot of jacked up people when Tawny Kitaen seems like the most normal person there.

Rodney King throwing up outside the truck window might have been the funniest thing I have ever seen.

I'm not sure why Gary Busey is there as a spiritual advisor or whatever. Even though he is sober, he is the craziest person there. Obviously they brought him in for ratings, but if they are seriously trying to help the patients he is just going to be an annoyance.

Jeff Conway and the Guns and Roses drummer are going to provide some awesome moments. The previews for the rest of the season show Jeff kicking his wife in the stomach.

I'm excited for the rest of the season!!!!
BigDMcGee
Dr Drew is the biggest phoney exploitative hack in the business. I once suggested this on an Adam Carrolla message board, and ended up getting banned.
solderz
Just finished watching the first episode. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
TRB05
I liked season 1. Did they start season 2 by updating the progress of anyone from season 1? That guy from that crappy band was SO going back to the smack.
king_tanner
QUOTE (TRB05 @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 4:40 PM) *
I liked season 1. Did they start season 2 by updating the progress of anyone from season 1? That guy from that crappy band was SO going back to the smack.


They had a reunion show where they talked to everyone months after the show was filmed. I think the only ones who stayed sober were the chick from Family Matters, and the huge blond woman who was married to Sylvestor Stallone.
BigDMcGee
Why hasn't Danny Bonaduce been on this yet? He's a reality show whore and he recovering poly-substance addict, it seems like this type of thing would be right in his wheel house.
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 11:19 PM) *
I think the only ones who stayed sober were the chick from Family Matters,

this chick has a hot little porn where she takes all of Lexington Steele. No small feat considering how small she is. I think he hit her epiglottis from the rear entry


I watched the whole first season but I don't know that I can invest the time into season 2
king_tanner
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 8:39 PM) *
this chick has a hot little porn where she takes all of Lexington Steele. No small feat considering how small she is. I think he hit her epiglottis from the rear entry


Meh I'd rather see a Urkel/Laura/Myra 3-some. Myra was Urkel's girlfriend with the humongous jugs.
El Guapo
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 8:39 PM) *
this chick has a hot little porn where she takes all of Lexington Steele. No small feat considering how small she is. I think he hit her epiglottis from the rear entry


I watched the whole first season but I don't know that I can invest the time into season 2


I had to google this, and much to my surprise it was in the mouth/throat region and not the vaginal area.
Dirtydutch
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 12:28 PM) *
Dr Drew is the biggest phoney exploitative hack in the business. I once suggested this on an Adam Carrolla message board, and ended up getting banned.


I'm sure this was merely a "suggestion."
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (Dirtydutch @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 10:49 PM) *
I'm sure this was merely a "suggestion."



The message board was allegedly a The Adam Carrolla Show Message board, but pretty much everyone but me had been listening to Adam since love line, which had apparently been an incredibly influential show for most of them in their formative years, and to whom Dr Drew as a combination of father and messiah figure. So, there was a thread about how Tom Cruise got pissed because Drew had made some sort of crack pot half hassed psycho-analysis of Cruise, and everyone of course was jumping on cruise, and what a nut jub he was. I suggested, that while a nut job, that Drew had no business, as a mental health professional, making half assed diagnosis's and assumptions about cruise's mental health and child hood development, since he had, you know, spent exactly no time with Cruise or talking to Cruise. I also added that it shouldn't be suprising that Drew would make this kind of irresponsible half assed diagnosis based on very little, since that's pretty much what he'd built his career on. This caused pretty much the whole forum to attack me. I tried to stay calm and level headed, nad not attack people who were flaming me, but present my Drew is a quack argument in rationally. And I got flamed, called all kinds of names, and one particular cunt was particularly cunty towards me, and so, finally, I was forced to call her the cunt that she was, because I mean, there's only so much abuse I can handle before I'll unload. This of course got me banned. Even though, naturally, all kinds of other people got call me all kinds of equivalent names, and much worse, and had engaged in all manner of "trollish flaming" . I got banned because I was the new guy who hated Dr Drew.
king_tanner
BigD I don't disagree with you about Dr. Drew, who knows... some other doctor could be whispering in his ear and telling him what to say lol. If he really wanted to cure these patients would he bring in Gary Busey as a spiritual advisor? Probably not!

For me its about the characters though not Dr. Drew.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 12:13 AM) *
BigD I don't disagree with you about Dr. Drew, who knows... some other doctor could be whispering in his ear and telling him what to say lol. If he really wanted to cure these patients would he bring in Gary Busey as a spiritual advisor? Probably not!

For me its about the characters though not Dr. Drew.



oh sure, I'm not really even talking about the show, just what a hack I think Drew is. What makes for an entertaining show is often diametrically opposed to what a responsible mental health professional would do. Fortunately, Drew is not responsible.


Drew is a real Dr, with real credentials. He just has no problem exploiting the mentally ill to make himself rich and famous. I see him as a mental health televangelist.
byaaatch
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 8:48 PM) *
Meh I'd rather see a Urkel/Laura/Myra 3-some. Myra was Urkel's girlfriend with the humongous jugs.



Not to bring down this thread but you do know Myra died from cancer right? She passed away shortly after the show was stopped.
keith crime
I used to listen to loveline a lot and i really respected dr drew from it
he talked to kids with a minimum of judgment and gave them the truth about the behavior's they were doing

as for evaluating cruise - he's a public figure and fair game - drew wasn't treating him

plus and i know this will sound weird if you didn't listen to the show regularly - dude could tell about 90% of the time whether girls had been abused from just listening to their voices - it was pretty amazing

I think that he's trying to do something good with the rehab show, but i understand if you think differently

also he was a fervant advocate for the morning after pill which people don't seem to understand and seem to think is an abortion pill which it isn't

i really think the loveline show was really valuable for kids

Smacciemac
I have this on my DVR but haven't been able to watch it yet. I LOVEd the first season though. I am looking forward to this season.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (keith crime @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 2:27 AM) *
I used to listen to loveline a lot and i really respected dr drew from it
he talked to kids with a minimum of judgment and gave them the truth about the behavior's they were doing




Yes, Drew was the good cop in the scenerio. Yet, it wasn't just a Dr. Drew call in show, where people could call in and get judgment free advice. Here's what would happen, a caller would call, bare their soul, Carrolla would mock them and make fun of them and their issue, and then Drew would give his analysis. Carrolla's abuse was the price people had to pay to get Drew. And while that may make for compelling radio, subjecting the mentally ill to ridicule is not something I feel a responsible mental health should do. And that's what I think he's doing with celebrity rehab. He can claim all the good intentions he wants, but when you bring in Busey as a "spiritual advisor" all you're doing is making train wreck TV. I'm not saying that he doesnt' have some good intentions. Some Televangelists no doubt believe in the bullsht that they sell on tv. But it doesn't stop Rev. Billy bob from taking cash from aunt Sadie, and it doesn't stop Drew from using C-list celebrities illness to humiliate them on television, in order make himself wealthy. That's my issue with him, is that he's exploitative.
HollywoodAFD
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 2:26 PM) *
THIS SHOW IS GOLD!!! Probably my new favorite reality show.

You know you have a lot of jacked up people when Tawny Kitaen seems like the most normal person there.

Rodney King throwing up outside the truck window might have been the funniest thing I have ever seen.

I'm not sure why Gary Busey is there as a spiritual advisor or whatever. Even though he is sober, he is the craziest person there. Obviously they brought him in for ratings, but if they are seriously trying to help the patients he is just going to be an annoyance.

Jeff Conway and the Guns and Roses drummer are going to provide some awesome moments. The previews for the rest of the season show Jeff kicking his wife in the stomach.

I'm excited for the rest of the season!!!!

When and where is this?
JubilantLankyLad
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Friday, October 24th, 2008, 8:39 PM) *
this chick has a hot little porn where she takes all of Lexington Steele. No small feat considering how small she is. I think he hit her epiglottis from the rear entry

I didn't know this, so I did some research. She appeared on Oprah to discuss her "Biggest Mistake", where she discussed her 2 year porn career. She then went on to explain that she wished she had stayed in school while she was acting on Family Matters, because then she would have had some options once she got written off the show, and could have become an acting coach, or a doctor.

Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and guess neither was a realistic ambition.
keith crime
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 11:28 AM) *
Yes, Drew was the good cop in the scenerio. Yet, it wasn't just a Dr. Drew call in show, where people could call in and get judgment free advice. Here's what would happen, a caller would call, bare their soul, Carrolla would mock them and make fun of them and their issue, and then Drew would give his analysis. Carrolla's abuse was the price people had to pay to get Drew. And while that may make for compelling radio, subjecting the mentally ill to ridicule is not something I feel a responsible mental health should do. And that's what I think he's doing with celebrity rehab. He can claim all the good intentions he wants, but when you bring in Busey as a "spiritual advisor" all you're doing is making train wreck TV. I'm not saying that he doesnt' have some good intentions. Some Televangelists no doubt believe in the bullsht that they sell on tv. But it doesn't stop Rev. Billy bob from taking cash from aunt Sadie, and it doesn't stop Drew from using C-list celebrities illness to humiliate them on television, in order make himself wealthy. That's my issue with him, is that he's exploitative.


i'm not so sure about this show - although drug addiction has always been his specialty

as for corrolla mocking the kids - i think that it was pretty gentle and fun loving and corrolla also mocked himself and it made the kids comfortable enough to talk about their issues _ i think the radio show was a big positive

El Guapo
QUOTE (keith crime @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 10:21 AM) *
i'm not so sure about this show - although drug addiction has always been his specialty

as for corrolla mocking the kids - i think that it was pretty gentle and fun loving and corrolla also mocked himself and it made the kids comfortable enough to talk about their issues _ i think the radio show was a big positive


I agree. I thought the show great, especially for kids (H.S. - College) they definitely answered some questions I had when I was younger and inexperienced.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 9:27 AM) *
I agree. I thought the show great, especially for kids (H.S. - College) they definitely answered some questions I had when I was younger and inexperienced.




Well, I don't want my distain for Dr Drew leading for me to get banned in two different forums, so I'll just gracefully bow out of this Drew love fest.
El Guapo
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 10:43 AM) *
Well, I don't want my distain for Dr Drew leading for me to get banned in two different forums, so I'll just gracefully bow out of this Drew love fest.



Oh I really don't care one way or the other, I just liked love line. I think Corrolla has sucked since the man show ended and I probably have not seen but 5 minutes of Dr. Drew in the last 10 years.

All I am saying is, that they show answered a lot of questions, that kids were afraid/embarrassed to ask parents/teachers/friends.
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 2:45 AM) *
I had to google this, and much to my surprise it was in the mouth/throat region and not the vaginal area.

see, that was the joke. A regularly large penis could hit the epiglottis from the mouth, Lexington Steele could hit the epiglottis from the vag.


QUOTE (keith crime @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 5:27 AM) *
plus and i know this will sound weird if you didn't listen to the show regularly - dude could tell about 90% of the time whether girls had been abused from just listening to their voices - it was pretty amazing

this is just a parlor trick. Always assume they have been abused. You'll be right about 50% of the time because of the type of call in question and the other half will say they have not to feel left out.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 11:13 AM) *
this is just a parlor trick. Always assume they have been abused. You'll be right about 50% of the time because of the type of call in question and the other half will say they have not to feel left out.




I agree with this completely. Any girl that feels the need to ask sex/love advice on a nationally syndicated radio program is probably more than likely been abused.



One thing I will say, about Celebrity Rehab.... I will watch absolutely any reality show with Gary Busey in it. "I'm with Busey" is one of the most underrated shows of all time, it absolutely killed me. I listen to Dave Dameshek, who was a writer on the show, and he tells great stories about him. One was that Busey always carried this case around with him, like an attache case ( a la Zmuda/Mr. X). Dave and everyone else always was extremely curious about what was in the case, as busey would never open it around people, but kept it on his person at all times. One day, busey had left it behind in his trailer, and dave was alone with it... so he couldn't help himself, and peeked into the case. The only thing in the case was 20 travel size mini bags of dorritos.
JubilantLankyLad
he tricked you
LadyGrey
QUOTE (JubilantLankyLad @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 12:10 PM) *
I didn't know this, so I did some research. She appeared on Oprah to discuss her "Biggest Mistake", where she discussed her 2 year porn career. She then went on to explain that she wished she had stayed in school while she was acting on Family Matters, because then she would have had some options once she got written off the show, and could have become an acting coach, or a doctor.

Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and guess neither was a realistic ambition.

I feel kinda bad for her after checking out her wikipedia entry. It said that the courts decided to give all her earnings from her child acting to her family to bail them out of bankruptcy. She had half a million in a trust fund and the state gave it to her parents. I think that is really unfair, she earned that money so she should have kept it. Fuck her parents, they should earn their own damn money.
BigDMcGee
So I saw the first episode of this show, and Busey was golden, as I'd hoped. My opinion of Drew hasn't changed in the slightest. This show is a freak show, and he is the barker. I can see how some drew appologists could saw " well, if an addict watches the show, and sees how f'd up that drummer from GNR is, it might be the catalyst for them to get help." To them, I say, the only thing Busey is a catalyst for is huge, uncontrollable belly laughter from me. The man is seriously mentally ill, and they are purely exploiting it. It's good televison, but poor medicine.
king_tanner
QUOTE (byaaatch @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 2:03 AM) *
Not to bring down this thread but you do know Myra died from cancer right? She passed away shortly after the show was stopped.


Yes I knew that... I imbd'd her after I made my post about her because I wanted to see those knockers, then on there it said she was dead. I'm sure you did the same thing, unless you are an expert on Myra from Family Matters lol.

HollywoodAFD look for it on VH1 they re-run it with all their other reality shows.
brvheart
Thank you everyone who posted above. I would have never seen this show if it wasn't for you. (Gary Busey is awesome)
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (brvheart @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 10:28 PM) *
Thank you everyone who posted above. I would have never seen this show if it wasn't for you. (Gary Busey is awesome)



I swear to christ, you could have an online Webcam that showed 24 hours of busey, and I would pay up to 50 bucks a month to subscribe to it.
keith crime
busey is in rehab too he just thinks he isnt

i dont think his problem is drugs its the brain injury from that motorcycle accident
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (keith crime @ Sunday, October 26th, 2008, 2:16 AM) *
busey is in rehab too he just thinks he isnt

i dont think his problem is drugs its the brain injury from that motorcycle accident



yeah, I know, it's the best part... he thinks his a mentor.. he's going to be so incredibly creepy and invasive with the other patients, it's going to be great.
king_tanner
The only guy that even can compare to Busey is Ted Nugent. That reality show was awesome.

Also the Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston reality show was just as amazing.
byaaatch
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 5:14 PM) *
Yes I knew that... I imbd'd her after I made my post about her because I wanted to see those knockers, then on there it said she was dead. I'm sure you did the same thing, unless you are an expert on Myra from Family Matters lol.

HollywoodAFD look for it on VH1 they re-run it with all their other reality shows.



I did actually know that before this post. I remember seeing something with Malcom Jamal Warner and he had talked about it.

Smacciemac
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Sunday, October 26th, 2008, 12:36 PM) *
yeah, I know, it's the best part... he thinks his a mentor.. he's going to be so incredibly creepy and invasive with the other patients, it's going to be great.


That has to be terribly unfair to the other patients though. Here they are going through detox and stuff only to have to be annoyed to death by him lol
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Sunday, October 26th, 2008, 3:31 PM) *
The only guy that even can compare to Busey is Ted Nugent. That reality show was awesome.

Also the Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston reality show was just as amazing.



Don't forget the Godmother of celebrity reality show train wrecks... Anna Nicole..


QUOTE (Smacciemac @ Sunday, October 26th, 2008, 5:13 PM) *
That has to be terribly unfair to the other patients though. Here they are going through detox and stuff only to have to be annoyed to death by him lol


Oh absolutely. More reason I don't respect Drew as a doctor. If he only cared about helping people, there's no way GB would be on this show.
HollywoodAFD
QUOTE (byaaatch @ Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 4:03 AM) *
Not to bring down this thread but you do know Myra died from cancer right? She passed away shortly after the show was stopped.

Buzz kill
brvheart
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Sunday, October 26th, 2008, 12:38 AM) *
I swear to christ, you could have an online Webcam that showed 24 hours of busey, and I would pay up to 50 bucks a month to subscribe to it.


Everytime he talks I just keep hoping that he'll snap out of it and start to act exactly like he acts in Point Break. I guess cocaine is a hell of a drug.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (brvheart @ Sunday, October 26th, 2008, 6:56 PM) *
Everytime he talks I just keep hoping that he'll snap out of it and start to act exactly like he acts in Point Break. I guess cocaine is a hell of a drug.


Actually he's brain damaged. Literally. He had a motorcycle accident that fractured his skull like 13 years ago, and hasn't been the same since.
magnus72
lol at the suitcase full of spare change and highlighters.
brvheart
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 12:09 AM) *
Actually he's brain damaged. Literally. He had a motorcycle accident that fractured his skull like 13 years ago, and hasn't been the same since.



On December 4, 1988, Busey was severely injured in a motorcycle accident
in which he was not wearing a helmet. His skull was fractured and doctors feared he suffered permanent brain damage.


Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998) .... Highway Patrolman

Black Sheep (1996) .... Drake Sabitch

Chasers (1994) .... Sergeant Vince Banger

Surviving the Game (1994) .... Doc Hawkins

Rookie of the Year (1993) .... Chet 'Rocket' Steadman

The Firm (1993) .... Eddie Lomax

Under Siege (1992) .... Cmdr. Krill

Point Break (1991) .... FBI Agent Angelo Pappas

Predator 2 (1990) .... Peter Keyes




just sayin'
BigDMcGee
Well, in true internet loser fashion, I registered my displeasure with Drew's ethics on the VH1 Celebrity rehab message board. I started a thread called "Dr Drew is a post modern side show barker" and here's the OP. My only hope is that he reads it, and has, for a few moments, a pang of guilt, before jumping into his swimming pool filled with gold coins.

QUOTE
So, a few months back, Dr Drew got in the news, for speculating on Tom Cruise's mental health, and childhood development. There was a message board thread about this on The Adam Carolla Show Message board. That show has many love line, and Dr. Drew fans, and I at the time suggested that Drew wasn't the father figure/messiah that people on the board thought he was, that he was more motivated by greed and money than anything else, and that he basically got rich by exploiting and mocking the mentally ill, the addicted, many of whom were children. This of course didn't go over too well with a bunch of love line fans, who's formative years had been so impacted by the show and drew. Their passion for Drew, their insistence that he was a good man who was just trying to help, made me soften my stance. Maybe he wasn't such a hack. Maybe he really was a selfless guy. Maybe loveline actually helped a lot of people and wasn't exploitative. And then, celebrity rehab came out. And I have only two words for anyone who tries to defend Dr Drew, and say what a good and selfless man he is: Gary Busey.







The fact that Gary Busey is on this show, just shows what an exploitative hack Drew truly is. Busey doesn't need rehab, he doesn't need drug treatment. The man is literally brain damaged, he's literally insane. He was in a motorcycle accident a few years back, that his skull was fractured in, and ever since has been profoundly mentally ill. The man is so insane, he thinks that he's a member of the staff of the rehab clinic. He's a literal schizophrenic. Season two of Celebrity Rehab is completely and utterly exploiting his mental illness. It is putting him on TV for ratings, so America can laugh at what a loon he is. I also predict, if his interaction with Tawny is any indication, that he proves to be a disruptive, creepy and invasive. I'm sure, no doubt, that boundary issues are going to be a huge concern with him and the other patients. In short, havng Busey on the show will not be conducive to a healthy recovery environment. The only, the absolutely only reason you have him in this clinic is purely as a ratings grab, because his insanity will make for good TV.




And that's the rub here. Dr Drew is a good entertainer. The format of Loveline makes compelling radio. The format of Celebrity rehab makes for entertaining television. But though he is a good entertainer, he is, at the very least, an unethical doctor. He is taking people, who are sick and mentally ill, and whom are despirate to get better, filming their personal, private and humiliatingly lowest points of their lives, paying them nothing for it, and profiting greatly from it. Yes, they are getting "high quality addiction treatment" for free, but believe me, their illnesses are providing VH1 and Drew with many times the cost of rehab in revenue for the show, revenue that they will see none of. The only reason the people are subjecting themselves to this humiliation, is they are so very desperate and ill. And, to top it all off, they have to live with a lunatic like Busey, who thinks he's there to help them. This show is a dressed up, self righteous version of bum fights. If Drew had once ounce of professional ethics, he should be ashamed of himself. But I'm sure he's just laughing all the way to his Beverly hills mansion. Never forget, this show is, at it's core, a freak show, and Dr Drew is the barker.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (brvheart @ Sunday, October 26th, 2008, 9:25 PM) *

On December 4, 1988, Busey was severely injured in a motorcycle accident
in which he was not wearing a helmet. His skull was fractured and doctors feared he suffered permanent brain damage.


Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998) .... Highway Patrolman

Black Sheep (1996) .... Drake Sabitch

Chasers (1994) .... Sergeant Vince Banger

Surviving the Game (1994) .... Doc Hawkins

Rookie of the Year (1993) .... Chet 'Rocket' Steadman

The Firm (1993) .... Eddie Lomax

Under Siege (1992) .... Cmdr. Krill

Point Break (1991) .... FBI Agent Angelo Pappas

Predator 2 (1990) .... Peter Keyes




just sayin'



And smart money says he was a lunatic throughout the filming of all of that.
BigDMcGee
Also, on the Celebrity Rehab 2's website, they list Rodney King's occupation as " Historical Figure" LMAO I wonder how long that brainstorming session took to come up with some sort of title for him
El Guapo
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 12:30 AM) *
Also, on the Celebrity Rehab 2's website, they list Rodney King's occupation as " Historical Figure" LMAO I wonder how long that brainstorming session took to come up with some sort of title for him



They could have gone with mason.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 8:11 AM) *
They could have gone with mason.



He's a mason? My dad's gonna be so proud.
El Guapo
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 8:11 AM) *
They could have gone with electrician.

brvheart
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 1:44 AM) *
Well, in true internet loser fashion, I registered my displeasure with Drew's ethics on the VH1 Celebrity rehab message board. I started a thread called "Dr Drew is a post modern side show barker" and here's the OP. My only hope is that he reads it, and has, for a few moments, a pang of guilt, before jumping into his swimming pool filled with gold coins.


I think it got deleted.

QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 1:45 AM) *
And smart money says he was a lunatic throughout the filming of all of that.


But normal on camera? That's not possible... is it?
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (brvheart @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM) *
I think it got deleted.



But normal on camera? That's not possible... is it?



you think he's normal on camera?

and also, nope, didn't get deleted.. you probably went to the celeb rehab 1 message board..

http://forums.vh1.com/vh1/board/message?bo...p;thread.id=185
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