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brando
Sorry convertor didn't recognize the format. I'm really curious if this was played right. Thoughts welcome. Oh and just sat down no read on Player C.

Normal Table Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00

Seat: 1 Player A
Seat: 2 Player B (Dealer)
Seat: 3 HERO
Seat: 4 Player C
Seat: 5 Player D
Seat: 6 Player E

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OpeningBetRound
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HERO : Posts small blind 0.50
Player C : Posts big blind 1.00
Player D : Folds
Player E : Calls for 1.00
Player A : Raises for 2.00
Player B : Calls for 2.00
HERO : Calls for 1.50
Player C : Calls for 1.00
Player E : Calls for 1.00
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Flop [ 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif 8:diamond: 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif ]
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HERO : Checks
Player C : Checks
Player E : Checks
Player A : Bets 1.00
PLayer B : Calls for 1.00
HERO : Calls for 1.00
Player C : Calls for 1.00
Player E : Calls for 1.00
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Turn 8:club:
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HERO : Checks
Player C : Bets 2.00
Player E : Calls for 2.00
Player A : Calls for 2.00
Player B : Calls for 2.00
HERO : Calls for 2.00
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River 9 icon_suit_heart.gif
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HERO : Bets 2.00
Player C : Raises for 4.00
Player E : Folds
Player A : Folds
Player B : Folds
HERO : Raises for 4.00
Player C : Raises for 4.00
HERO : Calls for 2.00

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Showdown
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Final Pot 19.5 BB
cdddc75
I'd bet that flop out.

Rest is fine.
KDawgCometh
cr that flop, after that rest is fine
cdddc75
KDawg's right. c/r on the flop is better than just betting it.
TheIceman05
Clean up overcards and craptastic flush draws (like the Q or the J) by checkraising the flop.

Ice
brando
Was this hand really that easy? No worries of getting 3 bet on the flop if I lead or c/r? Maybe I over thought it.
mrdannyg
i don't agree with CR on the flop, but i almost never do and some of the good players on this forum often advise it, so do that if you want. personally, i prefer to bet out into such a flop.

the turn is actually not a very good call, IMO. you quite possibly only have 4 outs. with a pair and flush on board, your straight draw is weak, your flush draw is only 9-high, your 2 9s are almost certainly good, and your straight flush is obviously good.

CR on the river is super-dangerous of course. people will often check it around, screwing you out of several bets. given that the bettor was right behind you though, if he were to bet the river, almost every person in the hand would be trapped between you two and would likely call one more bet if you CRed. even if you get reraised, you have all that dead money in the pot, and could find people calling 2 more bets since they have one already in the pot (this is 0.5/1 remember).
unless you have a read on the player such that he is unlikely to bet that river, i think the CR on the river is the best play.
amarillotg
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
cr that flop, after that rest is fine
Vade
QUOTE (brando)
Was this hand really that easy? No worries of getting 3 bet on the flop if I lead or c/r? Maybe I over thought it.


Personally, I wouldn't mind being three bet on this hand, although I would just call and check/call the turn UI
TheIceman05
QUOTE (mrdannyg)
i don't agree with CR on the flop, but i almost never do and some of the good players on this forum often advise it, so do that if you want. personally, i prefer to bet out into such a flop.

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I think you might be wrong on this one. The most important thing to do with this flop is maximize your chance of winning the pot. You're not check-raising to get more money in; you're check-raising to make players with weaker draws and overcards drop. Someone with a hand like A9 with the A of diamonds is playing to the river no matter what. If he spikes his ace on the river, so be it.

But we need to try and force the Kd, Qd, and Jd out of the pot. Letting KxJd into the pot is a disaster, especially if there's 3-way action and we're against a hand like 89 or 78. We need to do everything we can to STAY ahead if we happen to be ahead, and not let anyone draw cheap.

Ice
DCWildcat
I like leading out on the flop. Rest is fine. Nice pot, too.
TheIceman05
QUOTE (DCWildcat)
I like leading out on the flop. Rest is fine. Nice pot, too.


May I ask politely why you prefer leading to c/r?
Ice
MrNiceGuy
I agree with those who prefer leading the flop.

There is no guarantee that the c/r will work, preflop raiser might not bet. But assuming he will bet, there's a good chance that he would also raise. Can you fold the Kd, Qd, or Jd if you can confront them with a double bet, whereas they would stay on for a single bet? Maybe - but who (if anyone) has it? If it's player B, then he'll only have to call one bet at a time anyway. I think your goal here should be to get as much money in the pot as possible. (Until someone convinces you that they've already got a good flush and you're drawing to two cards).
TheIceman05
QUOTE (MrNiceGuy)
I agree with those who prefer leading the flop.

There is no guarantee that the c/r will work, preflop raiser might not bet.  But assuming he will bet, there's a good chance that he would also raise.  Can you fold the Kd, Qd, or Jd if you can confront them with a double bet, whereas they would stay on for a single bet?  Maybe - but who (if anyone) has it?  If it's player B, then he'll only have to call one bet at a time anyway.  I think your goal here should be to get as much money in the pot as possible.  (Until someone convinces you that they've already got a good flush and you're drawing to two cards).


What? Why? I don't think you want a ton of money in this pot on the flop. You've got a solid draw. And your 99 could be best. That's important. Clean up the overs and the weak shitty draws, and take your chances from there.

Ice
MrNiceGuy
You could be right - I guess my thinking is that you're 60% to improve to either a straight or a flush by the river, so I'm not sure if it's better to try to knock out non-diamond overcards, or to try to get value from them.

I'm not sure if any opponent would call one bet with the J or Q of diamonds but would fold to two. If they would, then you're right and you should c/r. But those cards might not even be out (or if player B has them, the c/r backfires where betting out might have succeeded). Plus I'm very fearful that this flop gets checked around, since that could be a very scary flop for the preflop raiser if he's got AK or KQ with no diamond.
avsfan
I would reraise preflop here. Then lead at the flop. :twisted: Imho

Calling and then check raising is fine. 8) Imho
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