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AstroMech
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4:club:, 4:diamond:.
Hero calls t20,5 folds, Button calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t80) 4:spade:, Q:spade:, 3:diamond: (4 players)
SB bets t60, BB folds, Hero calls t60, Button calls t60.

Turn: (t260) 9:spade: (3 players)
SB bets t320, Hero calls t320, Button raises to t1120, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2020

i was attempting slowplay, putting the guy on a Q or something, when third guy called i thought he was on flush draw... did i make correct laydown?

was it correct to slowplay? (remember my FH odds are almost as good as the flush odds, and a spade that makes me a FH would have huge implied odds...)

lol.. that hand got me to 1100 chips... now only 10 hands into the sng(i saw flop 4 times) im at 4000 chips... some idiot called my all in after 1 limp and a raise and a call with A9... some idiot called when i put him all in with middle pair bottom kicker.....
econ_tim
Don't slowplay the set when there are scary draws. Good laydown on turn.
XXEddie
was it correct to slowplay? (remember my FH odds are almost as good as the flush odds, and a spade that makes me a FH would have huge implied odds...)

....odds of that happening...abuot 3%
gobears
With that potential flush draw after the flop, don't slow play your set.

If anyone has a Q, they will come along for the ride.

Nothing wrong with picking up the pot after the flop if everyone folds after you bet - don't give them a free card.

Laydown is fine.
GT123
I would have gone all in on the flop, if the guy has a queen he is not going to lay this hand down at a 5$ SNG, so thats a good time to double up. If someone calls you with a flush draw and you lose, then thats just unlucky and theres nothing you can do about it.
TheIceman05
QUOTE (GT123)
I would have gone all in on the flop, if the guy has a queen he is not going to lay this hand down at a 5$ SNG, so thats a good time to double up. If someone calls you with a flush draw and you lose, then thats just unlucky and theres nothing you can do about it.


That's weak. Don't bet any more than the pot. We'd like him to see the turn, then make him call off a ton of his chips with a slimmer draw then. I'm not saying it's smart to give him a price to call, but don't automatically push when there's a draw out there. Post-flop skills = important

To be honest, I don't really hate the play all that much. Picking up 400 chips won't do you much good in this format, but doubling up early would be very nice. Nice laydown on the turn, whether he had it or not.

There's nothing wrong with trying to set a trap for somebody, as long as you're willing to back off and let it go if the scarecard comes, even if you might be ahead anyway.
GT123
QUOTE (TheIceman05)
QUOTE (GT123)
I would have gone all in on the flop, if the guy has a queen he is not going to lay this hand down at a 5$ SNG, so thats a good time to double up. If someone calls you with a flush draw and you lose, then thats just unlucky and theres nothing you can do about it.


That's weak. Don't bet any more than the pot. We'd like him to see the turn, then make him call off a ton of his chips with a slimmer draw then. I'm not saying it's smart to give him a price to call, but don't automatically push when there's a draw out there. Post-flop skills = important

To be honest, I don't really hate the play all that much. Picking up 400 chips won't do you much good in this format, but doubling up early would be very nice. Nice laydown on the turn, whether he had it or not.

There's nothing wrong with trying to set a trap for somebody, as long as you're willing to back off and let it go if the scarecard comes, even if you might be ahead anyway.


I'm not pushing because of a draw on the board, I'm pushing because I will most likely be called by someone holding top pair. If someone calls you with a flush draw, they are making a mistake. You are a big favorite against a flush draw and top pair. Both of them might call you and I don't mind being called here. Of course this is just how I would play it and the reasons I would play it this way. Not saying anyone is wrong here.
TheIceman05
(shrug) All I'm saying is this... It's a much bigger mistake to bet 10 times the size of the pot (1420 into a 140 chip pot) than it is to just raise the size of the pot, and allow hanks like AQ or KQ to think they're in the game. If the flush draw is gonna come along for the ride, might as well have a chance to save some chips if, say, the 9 of spades comes off. It a fun card comes off, like the 2h, we can extract more value, and make the flush draw call coming from WAY behind here.

You're sacrificing too much equity, I think, by moving in on the flop, here, when you could just take a chance and play some pokah.

Ice
Nutcracker
The point he is making is that AQ and KQ WILL stay along for the ride and call all their chips on the first hand. You gotta take the dead money in the first couple rounds of a $5 SNG or someone else will. This is the perfect chance. The flush draw may call you, but fish are less likely to put all their chips in with a flush draw than they are with top pair.. Weird, but true. And top pair is drawing very slim against you, whereas flush draw actually has a chance.

This is similar to my strategy of pushing all in with AA in the first couple rounds of low level SNG. 50-75X bb is a gross overbet, but you would be amazed what people will call with.
Emptyeye
Yeah, people in low-level SnG's particularly would much rather play superhero and make a great call than a great (Or even not-that-great but obviously correct) fold. This is why they will happily call your preflop allin (Which is a ludicrous overbet) with A8 or other such trash.
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