jeff_536
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 7:56 AM
LadyGrey
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 8:24 AM
If by "good video" you mean yet another irritating, patronising video that assumes that people will do anything a celebrity tells them to, then yes, it's good.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good message and more people should be voting, I just hate it when celebrities get preachy like this. It makes me cringe to see them doing their serious, thought provoking message spiel.
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 8:29 AM
QUOTE (LadyGrey @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 12:24 PM)

If by "good video" you mean yet another irritating, patronising video that assumes that people will do anything a celebrity tells them to, then yes, it's good.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good message and more people should be voting, I just hate it when celebrities get preachy like this. It makes me cringe to see them doing their serious, thought provoking message spiel.
But if they don't do anything, they get criticised for that, as well. At least they're making an effort.
I spelled criticised so you'd feel at home.
LadyGrey
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 8:31 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 11:29 AM)

But if they don't do anything, they get criticised for that, as well. At least they're making an effort.
I spelled criticised so you'd feel at home.
Do they get criticised for that? I've never noticed anyone complaining that Celebrity X doesn't impose their political views on the public enough.
Thanks, I appreciate the solidarity. English (U.K.) forever!
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 8:33 AM
QUOTE (LadyGrey @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 12:31 PM)

Do they get criticised for that? I've never noticed anyone complaining that Celebrity X doesn't impose their political views on the public enough.
Thanks, I appreciate the solidarity. English (U.K.) forever!
I think they receive criticism if they're apathetic. They're not overtly supporting either party (although they certainly lean left), mainly just trying to get the younger generation to vote.
Not everyone is as politically aware/active as you and your boy-toy.
LadyGrey
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 8:42 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 11:33 AM)

I think they receive criticism if they're apathetic. They're not overtly supporting either party (although they certainly lean left), mainly just trying to get the younger generation to vote.
Not everyone is as politically aware/active as you and your boy-toy.
There's nothing wrong with being apathetic, I certainly am. It's a problem for the political system, definitely, but apathy is the effect, not the cause of the problem.
It is dumb how young people don't vote enough, but if all it takes is a video with Jessica Alba in it to get them to do it, then I question their choice. What it comes down to for me is what's better: a high turnout but with a high number of uninformed voters, or a low/medium turnout with more informed voters? Neither satisfactorily represents the true opinions of the people, but I think the latter is at least more stable.
Sal Paradise
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 8:45 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 12:33 PM)

I think they receive criticism if they're apathetic. They're not overtly supporting either party (although they certainly lean left), mainly just trying to get the younger generation to vote.
Not everyone is as politically aware/active as you and your boy-toy.
I don't know about that "not overtly supporting a party" thing. "do you support gay rights? do you think everybody who's sick should be taken care of?" that's, uh, pretty overt which party thats supporting.
to me, these things always come off as "hey! I'm such and such famous (democrat) celebrity and I want you to go out and vote (democrat)! it doesn't matter what party (democrat), just as long as you're informed on the issues (social liberalism) that matter and really want to see change (get rid of those evil as
shole republicans for good!) that really helps! so whatever your political views are (fu
ck all republicans), get out there and vote (as long as it's democrat).
loogie
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 9:03 AM
I am a little upset that Dakota Fanning has yet to step up and voice her opinion on this upcoming election.
nutzbuster
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 12:39 PM
Thank God for Hollywood.
I was lost until now.
(Ted Nugent - Bow and arrows for Change)
Painter567
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Haha! "Whatever your doing on this thing, Scrabble, Poker or Porn"
It was like Ellen was talking to ME!
El Guapo
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 2:47 PM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 9:45 AM)

I don't know about that "not overtly supporting a party" thing. "do you support gay rights? do you think everybody who's sick should be taken care of?" that's, uh, pretty overt which party thats supporting.
to me, these things always come off as "hey! I'm such and such famous (democrat) celebrity and I want you to go out and vote (democrat)! it doesn't matter what party (democrat), just as long as you're informed on the issues (social liberalism) that matter and really want to see change (get rid of those evil asshole republicans for good!) that really helps! so whatever your political views are (fuck all republicans), get out there and vote (as long as it's democrat).
I did not watch it, but this is pretty much word for word the response I was going to give regardless.
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 4:29 PM
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 6:47 PM)

I did not watch it, but this is pretty much word for word the response I was going to give regardless.
nice to know your mind is made up before you see something.
chrozzo
Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 6:31 AM
i would sooo do laura linney
Painter567
Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 6:34 AM
QUOTE (chrozzo @ Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 10:31 AM)

i would sooo do laura linney
Dude, you'd do Geri from Facts of Life.
If you're too young to know who that is...Google!
jeff_536
Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 6:37 AM
QUOTE (specbrad @ Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 10:34 AM)

Dude, you'd do Geri from Facts of Life.
If you're too young to know who that is...Google!
I thought he WAS geri from Facts of Life
Painter567
Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 6:44 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 10:37 AM)

I thought he WAS geri from Facts of Life
LOL! Nice...
Figger
Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 8:51 AM
QUOTE (specbrad @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 4:46 PM)

Haha! "Whatever your doing on this thing, Scrabble, Poker or Porn"
It was like Ellen was talking to ME!
She was talking to YOU !
I think she's seen your show.
Painter567
Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 8:54 AM
QUOTE (Figger @ Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 12:51 PM)

She was talking to YOU !
I think she's seen your show.
HAHA!
KowboyKoop
Saturday, October 11th, 2008, 8:06 PM
I ain't voting until Gary Busey tells me to! AND THAT'S A FACT, ZACK!
chrozzo
Saturday, October 11th, 2008, 9:13 PM
QUOTE (nutzbuster @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 4:39 PM)

Thank God for Hollywood.
I was lost until now.
lol!
but really...i think i need to know Tara Ried's opinion before i can make my presidential choice
really
Dirtydutch
Saturday, October 11th, 2008, 9:31 PM
Have I ever mentioned my theory about celebrity politics? I've been convinced since '04 that celebrities are all republicans, and trying to use reverse-psychology, like that episode of South Park where they convinced the KKK to support the flag-changing so everyone else would oppose it.
Think about it: does Brangelina really seem like the "Liberal" type? They lead globe-trotting lives of obscene excess, owning multiple sprawling compounds each worth tens of millions of dollars, while bloated AIDS Babies die of starvation all over the world. Specifically the shitty parts. How could anyone see the way they live, listen to the shit they talk, and then do anything but the opposite just to **** them? It's obviously some kind of trick.
DinkDonk
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 12:11 AM
There were a lot of people on that video that I would ****. A couple of headliners- Sarah Silverman and that stubbly guy from Maroon 5. He is hawt.
HollywoodAFD
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 9:47 AM
QUOTE (nutzbuster @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 3:39 PM)

Thank God for Hollywood.
I was lost until now.
(Ted Nugent - Bow and arrows for Change)
You're welcome
Sheiky
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 11:47 AM
I love how they act like A) You're vote actually matters and

Voting means that you are morally superior and care about the future more than those who don't vote.
timwakefield
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 6:16 PM
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 3:47 PM)

I love how they act like A) You're vote actually matters and

Voting means that you are morally superior and care about the future more than those who don't vote.
I kind of think both of those things are true. You know there are things called local elections too. As far as voters being 'morally superior,' we could get into an argument over semantics, but yeah, pretty much so. Actually, just omit the word 'morally.'
speedz99
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 6:33 PM
1. I love Natalie Portman with the fire of a thousand somethings.
2. What the hell is around Jamie Fox's neck?
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 8:45 AM)

I don't know about that "not overtly supporting a party" thing. "do you support gay rights? do you think everybody who's sick should be taken care of?" that's, uh, pretty overt which party thats supporting.
Sadly.
I mean, really. Gay rights and taking care of sick people make it obvious. Yikes.
QUOTE (Dirtydutch @ Saturday, October 11th, 2008, 9:31 PM)

Think about it: does Brangelina really seem like the "Liberal" type? They lead globe-trotting lives of obscene excess, owning multiple sprawling compounds each worth tens of millions of dollars, while bloated AIDS Babies die of starvation all over the world. Specifically the shitty parts.
Not since they adopted all of them.
Topical humor!
Sal Paradise
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 1:39 AM
QUOTE (speedz99 @ Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 10:33 PM)

Sadly.
I mean, really. Gay rights and taking care of sick people make it obvious. Yikes.
just because something
feels good, doesn't mean it
is good.
edit several hours later: I'm actually talking about the socialized medicine part, not the gay rights, believe it or not.
Balloon guy
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 6:24 AM
Voting should be hard, it should take like 3 hours and require effort.
Why we want people who are influenced by actors to help shape this country I'll never know.
Really, the most mindbottling thing I can think of is asking people that are lazy, uninformed, and passive about their country to have any say in the leadership of it.
There should be a real Do Not Vote drive, and most of those same actors should be in it saying: "Do you think because I read someone else's script, under the direction of someone else and make $millions of dollars a year doing it that I actually have a clue about anything? Then you need to know the voting date has been changed to the 1st Monday in November."
El Guapo
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 7:23 AM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Monday, October 13th, 2008, 7:24 AM)

Voting should be hard, it should take like 3 hours and require effort.
Why we want people who are influenced by actors to help shape this country I'll never know.
Really, the most mindbottling thing I can think of is asking people that are lazy, uninformed, and passive about their country to have any say in the leadership of it.
There should be a real Do Not Vote drive, and most of those same actors should be in it saying: "Do you think because I read someone else's script, under the direction of someone else and make $millions of dollars a year doing it that I actually have a clue about anything? Then you need to know the voting date has been changed to the 1st Monday in November."
Lets make it the 3rd Thursday, because if you tell them too early, there is still a chance they can head down the next day and vote.
timwakefield
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 1:38 PM
Let's bring back the poll tax too! Just for blacks obv!
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:31 AM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Monday, October 13th, 2008, 5:39 AM)

just because something feels good, doesn't mean it is good.
edit several hours later: I'm actually talking about the socialized medicine part, not the gay rights, believe it or not.
Yes, i understand how you prefer to see people in pain and suffering. Health care is EVIL.
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:32 AM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Monday, October 13th, 2008, 10:24 AM)

Voting should be hard, it should take like 3 hours and require effort.
Why we want people who are influenced by actors to help shape this country I'll never know.
Really, the most mindbottling thing I can think of is asking people that are lazy, uninformed, and passive about their country to have any say in the leadership of it.
There should be a real Do Not Vote drive, and most of those same actors should be in it saying: "Do you think because I read someone else's script, under the direction of someone else and make $millions of dollars a year doing it that I actually have a clue about anything? Then you need to know the voting date has been changed to the 1st Monday in November."
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Monday, October 13th, 2008, 11:23 AM)

Lets make it the 3rd Thursday, because if you tell them too early, there is still a chance they can head down the next day and vote.
You guys aren't real clear on the concept of democracy, are ya?
Sal Paradise
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:37 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 12:31 PM)

Yes, i understand how you prefer to see people in pain and suffering. Health care is EVIL.
yep. I want people to be sick and die. it certainly isn't because there are vastly better methods for the healthcare industry that don't involve the perpetually incompetent government's intervention. it's the death thing.
JubilantLankyLad
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:46 AM
QUOTE (loogie @ Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 10:03 AM)

I am a little upset that Dakota Fanning has yet to step up and voice her opinion on this upcoming election.
this is pretty outstanding. it could only be better if amy poehler saw this and popped in to show us a new sketch.
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:51 AM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 12:37 PM)

yep. I want people to be sick and die. it certainly isn't because there are vastly better methods for the healthcare industry that don't involve the perpetually incompetent government's intervention. it's the death thing.
It's not the health care industry so much as the whole 'paying for it' that seems to be the problem. There's no doubt that the care available in your country, to those who can afford it, is the best in the world.
You really think insurance companies have there institutional intelligence to solve the crisis?
Sal Paradise
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:53 AM
no, the market does.
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:58 AM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 12:53 PM)

no, the market does.
But didn't the government just give the financial companies billions and billions and billions of dollars?
You want those guys to sort out the crisis?
I know it goes against everything your little capitalist heart believes in (I assume you're against the gov't bailout of private financial companies) but sometimes, as a society, it's okay to help people in need.
Sal Paradise
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 8:59 AM
oh boy.
Balloon guy
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:01 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:32 AM)

You guys aren't real clear on the concept of democracy, are ya?
A person that studies the history of the candidate, weighs the value each person brings to the table, and then makes a decision based on facts gets one vote.
Someone that votes because Paris Hilton was in a video and they vote for Mickie Mouse because the think it's funny also gets one vote.
No, I get the concept of democracy.
Doesn't mean I want to encourage people that are clueless to participate.
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:01 AM
i LOVE hearing all the staunch capitalists try to defend the gov't bailout as something other than socialism.
The gov't took money from taxpayers and gave it to giant, private corporations.
jeff_536
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:02 AM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 1:01 PM)

A person that studies the history of the candidate, weighs the value each person brings to the table, and then makes a decision based on facts gets one vote.
Someone that votes because Paris Hilton was in a video and they vote for Mickie Mouse because the think it's funny also gets one vote.
No, I get the concept of democracy.
Doesn't mean I want to encourage people that are clueless to participate.
But Paris is hawt.
Balloon guy
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:03 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 10:02 AM)

But Paris is hawt.
I gotta give you that one
Balloon guy
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:07 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 10:01 AM)

i LOVE hearing all the staunch capitalists try to defend the gov't bailout as something other than socialism.
The gov't took money from taxpayers and gave it to giant, private corporations.
Isn't socialism the other way around?
They take from the corporations and give it to the taxpayers?
This would be more like corporate theft than socialism
Sal Paradise
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:12 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 1:01 PM)

i LOVE hearing all the staunch capitalists try to defend the gov't bailout as something other than socialism.
The gov't took money from taxpayers and gave it to giant, private corporations.
and I love hearing socialists trying to skew the words of capitalists to fit what they're trying to argue. I never said I agree with the bailout. try finding one real libertarian that does agree with the bailout. and from what you've said in this thread, you have very little knowledge of the actual events surrounding and leading up to the latest meltdown, namely that government intervention is the root of the problem in the first place. the government created the problem, gave wall street free reign to make huge bets without risk, and it failed. in what way is that a failure of the free market?
and also you don't seem to understand what is going on with the bailout either. the government didn't just "give" money to the corporations (banks to be exact). they gave them money in exchange for shares of the company. bit different.
DrawingDeadInDM
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:14 AM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:12 AM)

and I love hearing socialists trying to skew the words of capitalists to fit what they're trying to argue. I never said I agree with the bailout. try finding one real libertarian that does agree with the bailout. and from what you've said in this thread, you have very little knowledge of the actual events surrounding and leading up to the latest meltdown, namely that government intervention is the root of the problem in the first place. the government created the problem, gave wall street free reign to make huge bets without risk, and it failed. in what way is that a failure of the free market?
and also you don't seem to understand what is going on with the bailout either. the government didn't just "give" money to the corporations (banks to be exact). they gave them money in exchange for shares of the company. bit different.
TYPICAL CAPITALIST SPIN
BigDMcGee
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:19 AM
QUOTE
Voting should be hard, it should take like 3 hours and require effort.
I'd settle for a quick IQ test. Fortunately, most of the stupidest and laziest people don't vote.
QUOTE
Why we want people who are influenced by actors to help shape this country I'll never know.
what, you mean like the Reagan Democrats?
El Guapo
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:19 AM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 10:12 AM)

and I love hearing socialists trying to skew the words of capitalists to fit what they're trying to argue. I never said I agree with the bailout. try finding one real libertarian that does agree with the bailout. and from what you've said in this thread, you have very little knowledge of the actual events surrounding and leading up to the latest meltdown, namely that government intervention is the root of the problem in the first place. the government created the problem, gave wall street free reign to make huge bets without risk, and it failed. in what way is that a failure of the free market?
and also you don't seem to understand what is going on with the bailout either. the government didn't just "give" money to the corporations (banks to be exact). they gave them money in exchange for shares of the company. bit different.
I told you to knock this crap off.
BigDMcGee
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:21 AM
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:12 AM)

and also you don't seem to understand what is going on with the bailout either. the government didn't just "give" money to the corporations (banks to be exact). they gave them money in exchange for shares of the company. bit different.
yeah, Nationalizing Commerce is more communist than socialist, you're right
Sal Paradise
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:21 AM
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 1:19 PM)

I told you to knock this crap off.
new years resolution is to stop reading.
Sal Paradise
Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 9:22 AM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 1:21 PM)

yeah, Nationalizing Commerce is more communist than socialist, you're right
didn't say I agreed with that either, just explained what they're doing.
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