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Quacktastic
Live 1/2 game, no real reads.

I look at 33 in the SB and there are 5 limpers. I throw in the extra buck to set mine.

BB (about 150 behind before the raise) bumps it to 30. There are 3 callers in front of me.

Stacks of the remaining 3 are about 600, 200, and 350 (I have about 400).

Do I have the implied odds to try for a set or is it better to toss this into the muck?
dreamcrusher28
Right or wrong, I call there.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Quacktastic @ Saturday, October 4th, 2008, 6:36 PM) *
Live 1/2 game, no real reads.

I look at 33 in the SB and there are 5 limpers. I throw in the extra buck to set mine.

BB (about 150 behind before the raise) bumps it to 30. There are 3 callers in front of me.

Stacks of the remaining 3 are about 600, 200, and 350 (I have about 400).

Do I have the implied odds to try for a set or is it better to toss this into the muck?

u will lose money in this pot over time imho.
the price is high, the odds are long, and it's multi-way, meaning no one is folding because the pot is huge so draws will tend to mature.
SGFULTON83
Fold or Shove, and only shove if you like coin flips being your best case senario. I would never flat call in this situation.
AimHigher
QUOTE (SGFULTON83 @ Sunday, October 5th, 2008, 4:06 PM) *
Fold or Shove, and only shove if you like coin flips being your best case senario. I would never flat call in this situation.


What if the BB had made it $20, would you flat then?
TrueAce13
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Sunday, October 5th, 2008, 9:11 AM) *
What if the BB had made it $20, would you flat then?

I think if it is 20, we definitely need to flat. I agree though, the odds are way too high to justify a flat call here. If you hit after folding, just be mad at yourself
BaseJester
First, I have to congratulate you on your excellent game selection. UTG's limp and call against a short stack is especially donktastic.

Reasons to call:
  • You arguably have the best position at the table. You check, the PFR pushes, and everybody else acts without a clue about your hand strength.
  • The way they're playing this hand, it's fairly likely that one of the calling villains will invest further money with a one-pair hand.
Reasons to fold:
  • It's an absurbly large fraction of the PFR's stack. We can call and stack him everytime we make a set and still lose a lot of money over the long term.
  • Set-over-set is a big factor with our teeny-weeny pair and this action.
I think the reasons to fold are more compelling.
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