This hand takes place in a very loose $2-$5 nlhe live game. There is a $200 cap on the buy in with the option to buy $300 if you bust, but there is about $9,500 on the table. We're nine handed. I have almost $1,000 in front of me.

Ok, so six people limp in and I check my option in the bb with Q J .

Flop: Q J 6

I lead for $25, and the loosest player at the table makes it $50. He has been playing every hand from every position so I really don't know exactly where to put him. He definitely would have raised with either JJ or QQ so I rule that out. 66 is a possibility, but he can just as easily have a naked queen, a queen with a heart draw, or two pair. It's less likely that he would have something like K10 910 or a heart draw or a combination of the two, but I'm definitely not ruling it out. He has about $850. Now, both the cutoff and the button call, and I make it $250. First of all, what do you guys think of that? Too much? Too little? After I put in my $50 there's $285 in the pot so I like the bet, but maybe there's some other opinions. Anyway, everyone calls.

So my question here is what is our plan on the turn? I'm pretty sure that both the cutoff and the button have draws of some sort. Either of them could have anywhere from just 910 to K 10 , but my feeling is that they both have just flush draws. Maybe one has the nut flush draw and the other has a worse flush draw with a gutshot or something around there. They both have me covered. I still haven't narrowed my range on the guy who made it $50. Everyone called very quickly so I didn't pick up much in the way of tells.

There's a little over $1,000 in the pot now, and I'm planning to shove the rest of my $700 if anything but a heart falls (excluding the Q , in that case I'd probably just bet about $300). But what do you guys think if we see:

A. A non-heart ace, king, nine, or eight?
B. A six?

After some responses I'll tell what actually fell and we'll go from there. Thanks for the help.

Instashove any turn that's not a 6, 7, 8, 9, K, A or heart. Good luck with that.

Fixed and such.

Lots of cards would worry me on the turn 10 king Ace and any heart. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the three had kk or AA.

I would.

I think you played it fine so far. You should shove any non heart non A, K, 8.

You shove a ten too? What about a six?


It's virtually impossible for the two in late position to have a big pair. The guy in early position maybe...just maybe, but I highly doubt it.


Again, not concerned with a ten here? K9 or AK hearts?


Anyway, the turn comes a six. Not my greatest card for sure, but like I said it looks relatively safe because the six on the flop is a heart ruling out a six with a flush draw. Also, like I said earlier, I really don't feel like anyone has AA or KK. So what do we think here? I figure if I'm going to bet here I have to shove all $700. Otherwise check and see what happens and reassess. Thoughts?

Based on your read, it's an easy shove. hands with naked 6 or two pair with a 6 seem at the "unlikely" end of the range you're giving the callers, and i think checking would be terrible, mostly because it could 1. check around or 2. someone may bet, get a call or two, then you're definitely seeing a river with all your money in this time.

I think it is played fine so far, as everyone else said see what the turn is and if it doesn't complete any draw get it in there.

My real problem here though is that it's definitely possible for the flop re-raiser to have Q-6 or J-6. But he's so loose that can I really going to fold if I check and he moves in? He's capable of moving in with a queen and a flush draw or any other straight and flush draw or maybe just the nut flush draw. However, if I do check and someone moves in maybe I can pick up some kind of read on them. But then what if it checks around and I give a free card? That's a huge mistake too, and it's bad even if a draw doesn't come because the pot is so big that someone might have come along for all their chips on a draw. My position presents the biggest problem for me in this hand.

So what's the general consensus here? Shove the turn? Anybody else have other ideas?

I just want to reiterate my opinion:

Risking it checking around < all other options.

Yup. Plus I don't think I'll fold even if someone else moves in. So anyway, I shove and the guy who made it $50 had J-6. God damnit.

Ok, thanks for your help.

I ship the 6 because the flop had the 6h. If the flop was QhJh6 I fold the turn.

Listen, there were like what 4 ... 5 ... ? people seeing this flop. Two pair hands with a 6 in them are DEFINITELY, and I mean DEFINITELY a possibility. Especially with the LAG type you mentioned. THis is a troubling turn.

My thoughts exactly.


Four. Yeah, I know it's a big possibility. Read what I wrote. But am I going to fold if he shoves behind me and the other two fold?

Six people limp in a wild game and there's action on a flop. You can't lose three and a half buy-ins to trips, IMHO.

So the board is QJ66 and you put in 3 buy-ins for the game and 200bbs with QJ 5 handed to the flop? You realize AA and KK beat you also, right?