IN a house tournament the other night. We all start with 25 dollars each and I am up to about 40 dollars. I get killed by this one guy on my left and am down to about $20 left. The next hand I get dealt 7 8 and the same guy who is fat stacking now at about $75 raises it to $5 I am steaming from the last one so I call as to two other people (there are 6 of us left). The flop comes 256 rainbow. One player checks the original raiser bets another $5. It is on me what would you do and what is the reason? I'll post what actually happened later.

Thanks for any input. 8)

Just noticed I said the guy was on my left he was on my right..

Know you're steaming but
Fold preflop


Oops. My bad, I misread the number of people in the hand. Just call on the flop and wait for what develops. If a person behind you raises, you might have to fold

Damn my poor reading comprehension skills :evil:

Fold pre-flop.

Now that you're in; the pot is laying you 5-1. There are also players to act behind you.

You have eight good outs with the OESD; if you have the backdoor flush draw, that's probably worth one more out. You also have two weak overcards which I'm not counting as outs.

You're down to $15 now. It depends on if you want to make your stand here on a draw or wait. You didn't say what the blind structure is which would impact my decision.

If the blinds are heavy, then I'm pushing at this point. If you've still got over 10xBB, then I would wait.

THis is where it gets tricky and I don't know if it was smart or dumb. I called the $5 because I figured if someone else called then I would be getting better pot odds at by the time the river came. As it turned out both the other players called as well. the turn was a 3. again it was checked to the raiser who went all-in.

My question is was calling to see others into the pot a good idea...I know you think I shoulda folded Vade but is there any strength to the idea of calling that to make the others involved want to play and does that strengthen the pot odds laid to call this or should I just have thrown it out as garbage on the flop??

Oh yeah and in answer to the blind question blinds were at $1 & $2

I think that after that flop and the bet, I would push all-in there. Open-ended straight draw, maybe a backdoor flush draw (you didnt't say), two overcards that are probably live. Gives the table an impression no matter what happens that you can't be bullied out, so if you win you can use that for later in the evening. :wink:

Flop call is fine. I misread the hand, thinking it was heads up with the bully.
You have no odds to call on the turn, and you have to fold

You are on a drawing hand so I see no reason to raise the flop to drive the others out. You want them there to pay you off if you hit. You also open up the possibility of a re-raise by the big stack and then you will really be screwed, forcing you to fold. So you call the flop

You got one guy in the pot raising / betting, one calling (you), another just overcalling and one guy checks and calls. Is this no foldem holdem? I'm interested to hear the outcome?

You are on a drawing hand so I see no reason to raise the flop to drive the others out. You want them there to pay you off if you hit. You also open up the possibility of a re-raise by the big stack and then you will really be screwed, forcing you to fold. So you call the flop

You got one guy in the pot raising / betting, one calling (you), another just overcalling and one guy checks and calls. Is this no foldem holdem? I'm interested to hear the outcome?[/quote]

Look at his stack size though. Unless I misread it, calling here and missing the cards leaves him severly short stacked. I think that I would rather push and try to win it here, or if I get callers I still have lots of outs (as per my previous post). If I miss completely after getting callers, chalk that re-raise up to your advertising budget for the next game (can't be bullied out) :wink:

Correct me if I'm wrong but pre flop 4 callers (one was BB)so $21 in the pot. After the flop there is $41 in the pot. he bets all in $10 for me to call so that means $51 in the pot or $10 for me to win $51 with two more people to call and one of which I was sure was gonna call leaving $10 for $61 or basically 6:1 to call. With one card to go that is a 20%chance to make the straight with no flush on the board???? Which would mean that I had pot odds to call???? I am still working on the basics of pot odds and that is what this question is really about. IS this the right way to figure this or am I way off... 8)

Well it is pretty close but usually when the pots get a little bigger then the other guys tend to stay in...

I agree. Let's look at this with the odds. There is roughly $50 in the pot at decision time. You have $10 left to call the all in and are getting 4.75/1 odds of hitting. Other callers will increase your odds as well.

Even though the chip leader could be just pressing w/ overs or something you will still need to catch to win, but if you do, it would be the nuts since there is no apparent flush draws.

If you fold, you still have $10 with the blinds at $1/2 (not sure if they are raising) but even at that you might be forced to push with womething worse given there is only 6 left and you will be well under the 10BB rule.

I'd take the chance here.

Almost forgot I posted this...If anyone wants to know I actually ended up drawing out on the raiser with a 4 on the river. The Raiser had AA while the other caller had 22.

What has been bothering me all day is was this a good call on my part. For some reason I thought I had the pot odds to call, though looking back on it I shoul've gotten out because the 7&8 were not live so I had a long shot.

Thoughts...is there too much gamble in my game??

I am inclined to think so but any opinions would be helpful
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[quote=Rocketwadster]You are on a drawing hand so I see no reason to raise the flop to drive the others out. You want them there to pay you off if you hit. You also open up the possibility of a re-raise by the big stack and then you will really be screwed, forcing you to fold. So you call the flop

You got one guy in the pot raising / betting, one calling (you), another just overcalling and one guy checks and calls. Is this no foldem holdem? I'm interested to hear the outcome?[/quote]

Look at his stack size though. Unless I misread it, calling here and missing the cards leaves him severly short stacked. I think that I would rather push and try to win it here, or if I get callers I still have lots of outs (as per my previous post). If I miss completely after getting callers, chalk that re-raise up to your advertising budget for the next game (can't be bullied out) :wink:[/quote]

Excellent point. He has kind of committed himself to this hand hasn't he. But I think, with the other players in the pot and the betting, you have to assume you only have 8 outs to make the straight and win. I wouldn't really call this "a lot".

you all started with 25 - couldn't tell for sure, but sounds like about 8-10 guys, which means 250-300 total chips. there's already 50 chips in this pot. i think it is important to take this pot if at all possible.
this is a tournament, it seems crazy to call 25% of your chips on a draw if there is a possibility of taking the pot right there since you will have a dominating chip stack (over 20%).

as it happens, you would not have pushed out AA, but still would've had your 8-9 outs (backdoor flush) - sorry don't know the odds, but i'm guessing you have about a 35% shot at taking the pot down. sounds crazy to go all-in to take a 35% draw, but i don't think you can assume AA in an 8-10 handed tournament. going all-in on a draw is intuitively crazy of course, since you won't get paid off if you hit, but for such a huge pot, i think semi-bluffing with a lot of outs is a great play, unless you are almost certain of getting called, given your reads on the other players.