I virtually never slow play but I figured if i can't slow play this hand then what can I slow play? Am I right? It was a loose table and i was almost positive someone would bet the flop.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: slowplayer is SB with :clubsj: :heartsk:
UTG calls, 3 folds, slowplayer completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) :hearts2: :clubsk: :spadesk: (4 players)
slowplayer checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, slowplayer calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) :hearts10: (3 players)
slowplayer checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) :heartsa: (3 players)
slowplayer bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

I think you played it perfectly. nh

raise KJ pre-flop from any position.
bet the flop. if you get raised pull a stop and go (call then C/R the turn)
if he just calls the flop bet, lead the turn.

I got no problems with this.

lol

this is standard

So you raise UTG with KJo?

yes.

want to argue more about it?

want me to link you to 10+ posts where wrto and KDawg say the same thing?

or maybe 100 threads from 2+2 that say the same?

i promise you, this isnt an argument you want to get in to.
you are wrong.
people that know a lot about SSHE are goin to tell you that.

That's a good point since no one has raised into you. I hadn't seen that before. You definitely want to raise PF in that situation. The rest of the play was still very nice IMHO.

I believe Sklansky said to never slowplay trips. A set yes, trips and two pair no. However, the board is in no way coordinated and I can't fault your play here.

I dont like a preflop raise... i'd raise the flop though,if you get three-bet then call and bet on the turn.

yes you can
he played it wrong

WRTO is the one who told me not to raise UTG with KJo

you are one of the people who should know KJ is a raising hand

no he didnt.
and if he did, he was wrong. or it was a long time ago.
i had a conversation with him just yesterday about KJ. ive posted about 5 KJ hands in the last week. go look at them.

get out of the kiddie pool and learn how to play KJ.

not too comfortable raising KJo yet. although i suppose im probably best here with 2 limpers.

thats a good responde amarillo. i can respect that.
KJ *is* a hard hand to play post-flop. the difference between good players and very good players lies in marginal hands like these.

i would reccomend digging up past KJ hands you have or searching for other KJ hands so you can get more comfortable with the hand.

at least you recognize it IS a raising hand

Yes, he did, and it was no less than 2 weeks ago.

ok.
im goin to let you put him on the spot here.

because he knows better.

Fellas... just figured I'd put up WRTO's starting hand guide posted in January. Not too long ago, but maybe it's changed since then. Here he does not recommend raising with K-Jo from UTG. Now, I agree with the raise in the OP's situation (from the CO) 100%...

I'm just trying to set the record straight.


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You're missing out on alot of money...Everyone plays there starting hands different, but you could open up a little.

This is my starting hand guide, not yours, not Daniel's....mine. So don't take any of this as God's word.

EP:
play: AA-77, AKs-A9s,Any broadway thats suited (e.g. QJs, KTs, JTs), AKo-AJo, and KQo
raise: AA-TT, AKs-AJs, AK0-AJo, KQs, and KQo

MP:
play: Same as EP + 66-22 (if someone has limped in already), T9s-87s, K9s-J9s, KJo, A7s-A2s.
Raise: Same as EP + 99. (personally, I think I could raise more hands here(e.g. QJs, KJo) but I don't....wouldn't mind some input on that).

LP:
play: Same as MP + 76s-54s, ATo, KTo, QTo, and JTo....very rairly Kxs and T9o-T8o (if it looks like it's going to be 8 handed and no raise pre-flop)
raise: same as MP unless i'm opening--then I will raise any hand I play.


If I'm facing a raise:
Any position I re-raise AA-TT AK (suited or not) and AQs. I fold AJo, but call with AJs and KQs and AQo. I muck everything else. I probably spew too many chips calling raises with AQo....




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I have no life, so I respond to your post.

This has changed.

i am positive that since he started playing 5/10 he has changed a lot of things.

also keep in mind wrto isn't the end-all-be-all of advice. but i still think hed say raise.

a post for reference.
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...pic.php?t=12483

I've always heard KJo in early position is junk? Not arguing with you Absolute, but is this anywhere in SSHE? I've never raised with KJo UTG.

from my experience [and my stats] KJo is a very tricky hand.
there is definitely a Smasharoo mentality to fold or call KJo in EP, but I really think this is ABC, weak/tight poker.

you have to get comfortable with hands like this. KJ0 and 99 are the hands I have been having the most difficulties with, and I only brought up wrto in this discussion because I have talked with him a few times about it and shown him some KJo and 99 hands. but if he says im wrong, im still going to argue. i think this is a raise.

i really like the phrase "get out of the kiddie pool" for hands like this.

KJ is a group 5 hand for sklansy in Hold'em For Advanced Players, BUT you have to understand the variation that is involved when playing small stakes hold'em.

if you are a good post-flop player, you should be showing profit raising KJo in early position.

heres a good thread for reference.
the poster (Entity) is a highly respected SSHE poster on 2+2. he probably knows more about SSHE than anyone who posts at FCP.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...ev=#Post2223241

Enitity is a very intelligent poster.

But there are a few reasons that he raised preflop in that hand:

1) The table conditions were extremely tight. When this is the case, you are likely to pick up the blinds with a raise from UTG.

2) He figured he could out-play most of the people at the table.

3) He was open-raising. Gap theory, dudes.

Raising KJo from EP is far from standard.

Raising with KJo from any position...agressive for sure...not sure I would do it, regardless of the level being played. Nothing wrong with agression though... :wink:

I don't mind raising in middle to late position with KJo especially if you're opening the pot, but I don't think I will do it from UTG. Agression is good though.

ummm, Absolute, I think you're twisting some of my words on raiisng w/KJo. I wouldn't raise PF with this hand, but I would be leading and pulling a stop n go on the flop and start raising the turn. In fact within the past month we had a poll on 2+2 about ep starting hands and KJo went into the muck. Your KJo had was from MP2, major difference. I know that Sthief wouldn't recomend raising utg w/KJo and he is probably the most aggressive player on the ss board

I told you so...

oh you
arent you harassing someone?

shouldnt you go back to that?
or improving your stats?

shut up and go away

where did you get this harrassing thing?

You're the fucker flaming everyone.

You just started attacking me in one of my other posts when I hadn't done shit to you.

I'm sorry.























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But honestly, where did you get this harrassing idea from?

isnt there a WWE event on or something?

Take this shit to general.

you must have me confused with someone else, I dont like wrestling.

fair
im done

im out of this one like a fat kid in dodgeball.

i win

I also want to add, KJo is never an auto raise from EP, just like in many other things that have to do with poker, it all depends. So Austin, you're wrong. Absolute, you're wrong. Opponents matter and since we have no reads then its not a raise from any position

let me add that...

you suck
:-)

let me add that...

you suck
:-)

double posting jagoff, shut up

Why raise KJ, suited or not, from EP? the only hands calling you have you dominated: AK, KQ, AJ. every now and then you get retards calling w/ K-10, or QJ. Late position is much different, you've already seen most people in the hand act. Your hand figures to be better than 2 limpers and the blinds.

cmon now
KJs is definitely a raise