Last nights ep made me uneasy. SPOILER ALERT










So Clay is convinced that Opie is a rat because they found a bug in his truck and in his cellphone (which he left outside with everyone else's) but NOT in the meeting room? Add in the fact that Opie stone cold has every single guy that sits in on the meetings for conspiracy to commit murder (which would allow the ATF to proceed under RICO without breaking a sweat) and it just seems a little too contrived to create drama. Like deus ex machina in reverse or something.

Finally got to watch this week's past episode. I totally agree, they found a bug in his phone and truck, but not at the table. Also, if they believe that the ATF paid off his debts, why can't they believe that they put the bugs in his truck and phone without him knowing.

So far it seems like a good show, not great, but still entertaining, I could see another season or 2 of this.

Man, everything went all pear shaped on Clay tonight.

Wow was all I could think after this one. I thought it was pretty good, but it doesn't take much to entertain me. The finale looks like it's gonna be good too.

That was brutal. Jax is going to be on the war path.

Next week is appointment television. How far does Jax take it, that's the question.

I'm feeling a cliffhanger. Hopefully the show will continue.

This episode was really good.. It was really messed up about Opie's wife. I can't believe it is over next week already!

When Im inside someone, theres only one face I see.

sweet! season 2 confirmed.

this may not be great tv, but the characters are done well, and I'm addicted. Plus I love the music.

I'm excited for the new season.

But jeezoo christmas two months of ads, really?!?

Henry Rollins joins the cast, giggidy.

I downloaded this show and watched all 13 episodes on one Saturday. Yes, I'm pathetic and have no life, but I quite enjoyed it.

this hell yea!!!!!!

Well a son's gonna rise in a mile
In a mile You'll be feeling fine
In a mile you will see
After me
You'll be out of the dark, yeah
You'll get your shot

Good episode.

They certainly didn't pull many punches, certainly one of the more graphic episodes.

Wonderfully wooden performance from my hero, but I think the role has potential for him.

I need to watch the preview for upcoming again to see if Opie is going to side with Hellboy or if I just mis-heard it.

yeah, you heard it, because i did too. should be interesting to find out if opie is really with clay, or if he and jax are playing the old man.

i see them having opie turn on jax and jax being forced to take him out. that would be some compelling tv.

until jax tells him it was clay was behind donna getting whacked anyway.

That whole ending scene I was just thinking, "Wow, these guys don't know who they're messing with!!! The Sons are gonna eat you alive!" Dramatic, I know, but so is my thought process....

Hmm, interesting new development with the niners.

The chief beaner said "your intel was good." Now maybe it's just me, but one would think that meet info on an illegal firearms deal would be fairly hush hush. If the nazi's knew where and when wouldn't that mean there's a rat in the SOA?

Anyone got a link to Season 1? I did not read though this thread for fear of spoilers.

For some reason, I don't like the turn the season now seems to be taking. I fear the show is going to turn into another "Prison Break" now! Also, how did Opie so quickly stop becoming Jax's friend and now trusts Clay on everything. I must have missed something cuz last season they were there for each other through thick and thin...

Opie is all ate up over Donna. He sees Clay as offering an outlet for his rage/confusion/hurt while Jax seemed to be trying to impede him at every turn, not realizing what is actually took place.

I never watched PB so I don't get the comparison. I certainly didn't see the direction they went coming. The home team has a lot working against them at this point.

The whole leadership in jail outside of their powerbase of charming is gonna be tough to get around. Unless the show introduces a new character from the state or federal level that the crew has their hooks in, I can't fathom how they could possibly walk.

Basically, Jax has been right and Clay wrong so many times now, you would have to believe that the crew, from their jail cell, are seriously starting to ponder a change in leadership.

I knew Charlie Hunnam from a movie a few years ago with Elijah Wood called "Greenstreet Hooligans" which is a solid flick. He basically plays the same kind of character he does now.



I'm interested in seeing where some of the lines of loyalty are drawn in prison. There has to be some kind of catch on their sentence which they can twist to be released.

good ep.

I think opie might've screwed up with the drug dealer, something tells me the guy is connected to an asian mob or something. Maybe setting up the conflict for next season?

Jax has some brass ones. The comment about it being dangerous to be a fed was prettay ballsy.

Gemma is liking doc more and more.

I'm going to be supremely disappointed if they don't provide a credible reason for them not to end up in prison. Sure, they're on bail now but that doesn't mean the problem is over and I don't see any way for them to influence that many witnesses etc.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/sons-of-ana...first-time.html

Just when you think the guys got it rough they pull an episode like last night's to show it can always get worse.

I think this season is definitely much better than last season. Seems like last season they were just going for shock value, this season they have more story.

Holy crap. Did I just quote Gallo for truth?

I heard www.hulu.com has all that

Is today the season finale? I know they mentioned it was going to an hour and a half, but they never said it was going to be the season finale.

It is not the finale.

It'll be interesting to see how the revelation impacts the group. I'm conflicted about Chibs is doing. On one hand it could be an instant death sentence due to the "once a rat, always a rat" kind of mentality. On the other, it could wrap up the Zobel/IRA problem in one fell swoop.

I have a question about last week's episode. Did they ever confirm that Darby and Fingers the Accountant actually perished in the fire or is there a possibility that one/both are alive and laying low?

I didn't hear them mention either one of them...

wow! THAT was a major episode.

So much shit came together, I kind of wish last night's ep was the 90 minute one.

I'm gonna take a guess here:
Sometime in the next season chibs, juice, or (unlikely but possible) tigg is going to have some sort of crisis that they end up talking to jax about and he's going to give that person his dad's book. THAT'S how jax is going to win, spreading the new gospel one brother at a time.

The effect that gemma's waiting to spill is having on the dynamic of the group is really interesting.

Opie is the fuckin man, he totally broke that bitch.

There was a lot of shit for 1 episode, definitely one of the best episodes so far. And at first I thought Tig was hallucinating when he kissed Gemma and then told Opie about Donna. I was waiting for Tig to wake up from some dream.

I don't know why I keep watching this ****ing show.


What kind of biker gang gets all weepy about rape? Gang Rape is like biker SOP, as far as I understand it.

I also kinda find it funny in that there is a hispanic in their gang. And the leader of the league doesn't even look white.

LOL well not all biker gangs are all white, so I guess I can buy that. Maybe. But you have good eye on Adam Arkin. His father Alan, I know was a jew, I'm not sure if Adam is one or not, but he's got enough jew blood in him to make him not really qualified to run an aryan gang.

They're MO is typically drug manufacturing and distribution as well.

SOA is to 1%ers what West Wing was to white house politics. Fictional with nuggets of truth thrown in here and there. Doesn't mean they're bad shows.

Oh I know.. there's plenty of other perfectly good reasons why SOA and west wing are bad shows. And yet I watch on. SOA is my guilt pleasure right now, I guess.

You really think it's THAT bad? I'm not saying it's one of the best shows ever, but it is still pretty good.

Yeah I don't think it's near "guilty pleasure" territory for me.

BigD if it appeals your sense of smugness think of it as a modern retelling of a Shakespearean classic.

Or a commericalized raping of a time honored classic if it appeals to your sense of rape.

Hank come on, I don't need this sort of moonlanding shit, it's not like the hamlet comparisons are hard to piece together.

I don't want bash on a show ya'll like, Lord knows i've ruined dexter for enough people... I just might pop in from time to time to bitch about some thing that sticks in my craw, like jew leaders of aryan nation, or the precious little actual raping going on by a 1 % biker gang

I knew you would have the hamlet thing, I was just trying to get you to come around by appealing to your sense of superiority and fondness for rape.

Like it or don't, it doesn't really bother me. Unless the arguments being presented are pretty ridiculous and/or overly nit-picky. Such as narrowing in on relatively minute detail like a prop being used incorrectly and dismissing the entire show based on that (a la the Fringe thread).

Often it seems to boil down to willingess to suspend disbelief in these types of completely subjective disagreements. If you're not willing to accept the premise of an MC that doesn't fit the mold, then you're probably going to find a lot to fault the show for. But does every fictional show that isn't completely fantastical have to have characters and plot points that adhere strictly to reality?

Yeah, that's not really my issue with a show. It's more the humorless tone of it, the predictability of the plot, and the general soap opera-y writing and dialog. I don't know that the Sopranos adhere's strictly to reality, but it had a really high level of writing, character development, and humor. I wish SOA had more of that.

I can't honestly argue with that. IMO it's a good show, but it could be a great show.

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Since I'm bored at work I will expand a bit.

I don't know that America is ready for a group of protagonists that would be as gritty as true 1%ers and I don't know if you could truly potray them as protagonists. Sure, FX broke a lot of ground on that front with Vic in the shield but he was doing all the wrong things for the right reasons. Bikers would be doing all the wrong things simply because they don't give a fuck.

I think if the show could stand to go a little further down that road and make the show, for lack of a better term, darker. If they could find that tightrope between celebrating deplorable acts and doing them because they are the only option kind of thing the show could rise to the level of greatness.

I thought tonite's show was better than last week's.

Question: After a commercial as they reintro into the show, when it's in "cartoon" mode, they show a cockroach sliding through the scene (I had to put it on slow-mo to see this). I don't understand the symbolism in this.

Anyone?

Yeah, you could only do that on HBO or something ( because, they put out OZ over 10 years ago, FFS).


I loved the scene where the doctor decked and threatened the administrator. I love her slow transformation into biker bitch this season.

At first I was "meh." But then, oooh then, doc starts beating her ass and I was giddy that the square went all darkside in the hospital.

Agree that making the bikers too dark will make it difficult for the average viewer to sympathize with them. It's not a documentary. Same thing goes on with Dexter in that the writers refuse to make him a true sociopath with zero feelings. Characters without any redeeming qualities whatsoever are simply commercial suicide.

And although you could jump on Kurt Sutter for 'selling out' on his biker vision, the reality is he still has to be able to make it marketable for a TV station.

Trying to find the song before the fight scene of the last episode for download. I think it's Straylight Run, but not sure.