got AK and hit it up UTG only the BB calls. 5/10 full. His stats were something like 18/12/1.5
flop comes ATT he check and calls.
Turn is another T, he checks, I check....anyone think this is stupid?

not really, what's he calling a bet w/ other than the a or 10?

i do this kinda thing a lot from oop on those types of boards (where you're never getting called unless you chop or lose), since if you check and bet the river again it looks semi-desperate and might get a call from a pp or KQ or so, but those hands are going to find a fold to two consecutive bullets here most of the time.

i would play this hand the same pre and postflop, and plan on c/cing the turn and c/ring the river. against thinking players i would c/c the turn and donk the river.



edit: whoops, you're in position. i don't mind the turn check for the same reason, but obv you're planning on betting the river if checked to in that case.

Wow I'm suprised at the responses, I thought this would be a bet for sure

In a game where opponents won't fold K-high or smaller pairs here, it's a bet. I suppose in a more "normal" game, it may be a check.

Question for y'all...say we check the turn and he bets the brick river...are we raise/calling or raise/capping?

yea, that's important to note, cb.

as for your question, i think we just raise/call. i mean, wtf is he 3betting that doesn't at least tie us? there can't be any value in that vs a pocket pair unless he's bad enough to where we would have heard from that by now.

i like raising the river, too. thx for the advice yall

Why are you guys raising the river? The whole idea of checking the turn is because you don't want to put 3 big bets in but now you guys are suggesting putting in 4

Well, we'd be putting in 3 this way as well (unless we capped???).

But you're right, if he's bluffing the river, he'll just fold to one raise, or he'll 3b with the chop or the hand that beats us. I guess we could enduce a bluff 3-bet with a turn check? That's getting pretty specific and read-y...

If we think he has a hand we beat that will bet/call the river, we might as well just bet the turn and the river and give him less incentive to fold K high or 22 or something.

People are suggesting raising and calling a 3 bet meaning we are putting 4 in when we didnt want to put in 2 on the turn when his range and the board have NOT changed.

imo, the reasons we're checking the turn are:

1. get more value from a hand that's behind us and has no chance to win (i don't think anyone would suggest that a hand that's behind us is going to call a turn bet unless either our image or the villain is completely ridonkulous)
2. take a wonky looking line to either wig people out or make them think we're bad (gawd i love doing this when it's not very different between the choices longterm)
3. if we bet the turn and get c/red, or we bet the turn and river and get river raised, we kinda have to show our hand down against 99% of opponents and we lose the same number of bets anyway (i DON'T advocate capping the river).

Maybe I'm retarded, but checking the turn, and raise/calling the river is 3 bets...

Betting the turn, calling a raise, and calling the river is also 3 bets.

Bet/calling the river, is just putting in 2, and of course, just calling the river is one, assuming we check back the turn.

Or am I just really tired?

no i'm just retarded. i didnt go back through the thread and thought we were led into on the turn or w/e for some reason. anyways, the concept i aws trying to address was that if you are going to check behind the turn, raise/calling the river makes absolutely no sense.

Agreed.

We need to bet, we have the best kicker.

Anyway. The prob isn't us betting for value (which we do every time here) it's when the moron shoves what could be AQ .. A2 or JT back at us.

Holy shit where to start?

#1- This is LHE. Let's just get that out of the way now. Nobody can shove anything at us, moron or not.

#2- Read the board. No one's kicker plays. We have a full house. If they have any Ace, they have the same full house.

#3- You successfully drew me back to the SHLHE forum. Congratulations.

1. Oh ****, this is limit? Who knew. I was bored in NL strat.

2. SW. That's why I said "anyway."

3. Thank you. I love controlling people. I'll have to think about what else can I make you do...

LOL. I love the "Look how angry I can make you; That's why I act stupid." reasoning. It smacks of Aadams.