Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $229.25
CO: $20
Button: $108.55
SB: $41.40
BB (antistuff): $130.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J K 9 8
Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, BB raises to $11, Hero calls.

Flop: 9 Q 9 ($22.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18, BB raises to $76.5,

Hero...

here is my version of the story

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $229.25
CO: $20
Button: $108.55
SB: $41.40
Hero: $130.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A 3 A 5
UTG raises to $3.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $11, UTG calls.

Flop: 9 Q 9 ($22.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $18, Hero raises to $76.5

my problem - i think he raises that flop without a nine just the right amount.

i also think i've flipped my hand over to him the way i've been playing (bundy and then him to my left turned me into a weak tight nit). this makes it easier to raise without a nine cuz he knows im not taking bare aces to the felt.

I thought you probably had AAxx, but then I thought why would you turn aces into a pure bluff? Raising AAxx there is like raising total air because of the range I call with.

You're risking $130 (well, $76) to win $40. AA9 was a strong possibility, as was a hand like AKQQds or AAQQ.

I don't think the raise is bad really, I just didn't understand why you would be bluffing that board.

He doesn't realize he was bluffing it.

I think he was using the same logic as his AAxx hand the other day that he posted where he'd 4bet preflop. Pot and stack size considerations make this a totally different situation. I really wish that he hadn't posted his hand though, I think I could have nailed your insta-snap-shoving over him.

Fwiw, in the experience I've had playing plo with simo, it usually doesn't end well

Pushing aces on this flop, especially without diamonds to fall back on, is horrible.

does he not raise my flop bet 100% of the time?

or damn close to it?

i was not 3 betting preflop. i was hardly raising preflop. i flipped my hand over.

how do i defend against turning my hand up?

my other though was also along the lines of he needs a boat to call here even with just a nine i wouldnt bluff him here.

Some equity calcs. This seems like either a slightly ahead or waaay behind situation.

You're flipping against an oesd

40/60 dog to same with diamonds

In terrible shape against a 9

Only slightly ahead of naked diamonds with no pair

fwiw no, I don't think he raises you 100% of the time, but if you think that's a concern, just check back the flop. The pot is tiny compared to stack sizes. Play pot control with position. Having played with simo, I can lead pipe lock guarantee you he does NOT need a boat to call/shove here.

FWIW I never fold A9xx here.

I thought AA9x was a big part of your range, and as such I'd be a fair way behind really.

Simo, I don't think you're in nearly as bad a shape as you think if he has AA9x, and the added chance that he doesn't have that makes this a very easy call/push I think.

Simo's Hand vs. AA9x

one thing though, am i crazy or do you raise my pot size bet on that flop with any four a whole lot of the time?

well, even if you don't. lets assume somebody who does. whats the plan? i figured i got you to put some in, now you're going to fold most of the time. once in a while you will have a 9. cest la vie. i was talking to somebody on aim and they said if thats my read why dont i bet/3bet and go to the felt that way.

i dunno though, since when he has a nine im crushed and he can have lots of things that can call that im not far ahead of maybe against a player like that i need to check/fold? he would have to be bluffing an aweful lot to make up for it.

Why check/fold? You have position and he checked to you. Take a free look at the turn and see what happens.

he has position on me.

im sure we can figure out an optimal bluffing frequency plus he goes down with any 9 and and of the hands you ran that are close to mine. for some reason i have a feeling that he would naturally hit this on me here.

Oh my bad, I was reading his OP looking at positioning. This is why we only put one player's hand in posts...lol

What the hell have you two been doing since i left?

I thought Simo was the only insane one on that table.

since we're gonna be new buddies on the tables you oughta know...

im ****ing crazy

To be honest , you brought some good action to the tables. Big pots draw attention and more players want a piece of the action , even the passive nits . So it means more crowded and bigger pots , more mistakes.

I officially welcome you to Fulltilt $100 Max PLo Tables.

since i gave you $130 with those queens, be honest...

am i in over my head here?

You seem to be over aggressive , in fact a bit spewy.

i don't welcome you guys to my plo tables, i like them with just bad players

You obv haven't played with any of us yet.

We are like a bunch of donks 3 betting each other like mad.

I don't do that that much. But these two are like their raise button is stucked.

i played a session with rob on stars today. i can fully assure you that his raise button is firmly glued in the down position.

antistuff knows whatever stats i run at, but i think at 50 and 100plo i'm probably a pretty aggro and spewy player. at my own stakes, i suspect i get a lot nittier.

we all should def. play more together and do more railing. i know talking to simo and antistuff has helped my game a ton, both of which are likely as good or better than me and should be playing 400plo and gambling it up with the 10986single suit.

i got you back for that one

I think i am officially the tightest and most passive player on this forum.