Am I getting odds to chase?
Is that flop call horrible?
How many outs can you give me?
Should I dump my double gutshot right then and there?
My play seems bad.

Please advise on all streets.

Assume no reads.

--CM




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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 6.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB raises, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9, T, Q (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG caps, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls $0.25 (All-In).

Turn: (13.25 BB) Q (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (16.25 BB) 7 (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.25 BB

I think we can fold the flop after the cap.

There's a decent chance you're drawing dead against KJ, and if you aren't you are still in bad shape against most of their ranges (sets, FDs)

You want to call two cold, then fold for two more getting better odds?

We might be able to dump for the first two bets, fwiw. Our J isn't super strong, and of course, the odd time we're drawing dead to KJ (at this point though, that shouldn't be much of a concern, given the info available at the time of our first flop decision). So we have 4 outs with a 7, and maybe 2 outs with a J? We're getting 6.5-1 immediate odds, and we'd need a bit better than that with just 6ish outs on average. We may even have fewer outs because of the flush draw being out there, and that we do not have a bdfd.

This is basically one of those spots where our draw looks stronger than it really is, and because of that, I think the best play is to just dump it for 2 bets on the flop.

As played, with the first flop call, the rest is perfect, imho. We can probably raise/fold the river in a perfect world, but I'd never do it in practice in a pot this big.

I think this is an uber easy fold. 3 other players are showing major interest in the hand and you have really nothing but a gutshot to a 7, and lets rule out 7hearts because of possible flush draw. I would definitely fold with two bets back to me on the flop with that many other people in.

I would not consider the J as an out because of the nature of this flop, a K is easily in one of our opponents hands. We lose to KJ and AK, which are likely hands our opponents have.


As played I would only c/c river. I think Q's up on the flop is also a possible hand one of our opponents could have, if not a set, and have filled up.

I like c/f to the two bets on the flop as there's no guarantee that there we're getting in for just that price. We have a double gut-shot, but it's probably got the strength of a mere gut-shot. If we had a rainbow flop with a diamond out there, I might be more apt to peel.

Also, with the immense action in the hand, I'd prefer to bet/call or c/c this river as opposed to c/r/c.

I'm down with bet/calling the river as well. 2 bets is better than 3 bets here, I'd think.

coran moran

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this is mikeysong. I think you could pick up the game very quickly. I've always appreciated your insight to the game

I would just fold the flop, that's a really terrible board, you're J outs are nearly never going to be good, and you're equity is generaly awful, you're not even closing out the action.

Zach and Cobalt are pretty much right. Fold the flop for 2 bets I think. There's a flush draw that takes away a decent chunk of our equity, our J is not very strong and fairly likely dead, and we aren't closing the action. I think we have no more than 5 outs in this spot and we know we may have to pay 4 bets on the flop. The turn is standard. On the river I much prefer b/c.

I dont generally consider the J to be much of an out..its definately not worth 4.

You are basically drawing to a 7 and hoping you arent already dead...with no redraws dump the hand on the flop and move on.