forgive me im tilted... but what was this guy thinking??!?!?!?!?!? Would you of bet 6th street? Not converting because these are easier for me to read and should not be hard for you either imo.

PokerStars Game #19167749464: Tournament #98286933, $15.00+$1.50 HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level X (400/800) - 2008/07/28 - 11:40:16 (ET)
Table '98286933 18' 8-max
Seat 1: HlGHTONE (4470 in chips)
Seat 2: ms tequila (4060 in chips)
Seat 3: fitzinabox (4226 in chips)
Seat 4: MattyGQ (5565 in chips)
Seat 5: 5years (7438 in chips)
Seat 6: jstacs (5691 in chips)
Seat 7: XpectdaCall (5497 in chips)
Seat 8: jackellwood (4201 in chips)
5years: posts the ante 80
jstacs: posts the ante 80
XpectdaCall: posts the ante 80
jackellwood: posts the ante 80
HlGHTONE: posts the ante 80
ms tequila: posts the ante 80
fitzinabox: posts the ante 80
MattyGQ: posts the ante 80
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to HlGHTONE [2h]
Dealt to ms tequila [4d]
Dealt to fitzinabox [Ad 2c 5d]
Dealt to MattyGQ [8h]
Dealt to 5years [8s]
Dealt to jstacs [Qs]
Dealt to XpectdaCall [3d]
Dealt to jackellwood [Td]
HlGHTONE: brings in for 120
ms tequila: folds
fitzinabox: raises 280 to 400
MattyGQ: folds
5years: folds
jstacs: folds
XpectdaCall: calls 400
jackellwood: calls 400
HlGHTONE: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to fitzinabox [Ad 2c 5d] [Qh]
Dealt to XpectdaCall [3d] [Kc]
Dealt to jackellwood [Td] [Kh]
jackellwood: checks
fitzinabox: bets 400
XpectdaCall: calls 400
jackellwood: calls 400
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to fitzinabox [Ad 2c 5d Qh] [Qd]
Dealt to XpectdaCall [3d Kc] [9c]
Dealt to jackellwood [Td Kh] [9s]
fitzinabox: bets 800
XpectdaCall: folds
jackellwood: calls 800
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to fitzinabox [Ad 2c 5d Qh Qd] [5s]
Dealt to jackellwood [Td Kh 9s] [Kd]
fitzinabox: bets 800
jackellwood: calls 800
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to fitzinabox [Ad 2c 5d Qh Qd 5s] [4s]
fitzinabox: checks
jackellwood: bets 800
fitzinabox: calls 800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jackellwood: shows [As 7d Td Kh 9s Kd Th] (HI: two pair, Kings and Tens)
fitzinabox: mucks hand
jackellwood collected 7960 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7960 | Rake 0
Seat 1: HlGHTONE folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 2: ms tequila folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: fitzinabox mucked [Ad 2c 5d Qh Qd 5s 4s]
Seat 4: MattyGQ folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 5years folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jstacs folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: XpectdaCall folded on the 5th Street
Seat 8: jackellwood showed [As 7d Td Kh 9s Kd Th] and won (7960) with HI: two pair, Kings and Tens

No.

You should not have bet 6th. 6th was an easy c/f. What did you think Jackell had. I think its obv that he made Kings up. The only thing he could have called with on 3rd with a T showing was AAT.....KKT.....TTT. All of which have you beat. You started with a good hand that actually wasnt too good cause 2 of your 8 cards for a wheel are gone on 3rd and 2 more of you cards to make a low are gone. You were basically playing for half the pot the entire hand.

lol? Yes, i was really playing for half the pot of 5th street was i? I agree betting on 6th is a mistake but its just extra funny to me that i was still ahead there. You would think he would of had kings and tens on 6th, but no he had to not only catch the miracle K on 6th but also makes kings up on 7th. I dont think villan could of played this hand any worse.

your missing the point of stud 8. You are always playing to scoop. if % of you doing that goes down only then do you decide to play for half the pot. And if you decide that you should re-evaluate your chances of getting there. If they aren't good....then fold and pick a better spot.

Bingo!

just out of curiosity do you stud experts think villain played the hand well?

PLZ TELL ME WHO COULd OF SCOOPED THE POT, from these responses it makes me feel like you guys didnt even look at the hh very closely.

you know better than you think about results.

i say you can check/fold this on fourth. the way the hand played out though, the rest looks good to me.

you must be a stone cold nit donk then

No I almost never play split Tens. ATT closing out the action isn't horrible though. He was up against 2 players going low. You both caught bad on 4th which is what kept him in the hand.

I think you really could have gotten away from the hand on 4th. If you payed attention to the dead cards you would have noticed how far behind you actually were when you didnt catch a low on 4th.

And again, you were playing for half the pot


Its funny when people play a hand bad and ask for help and dont get the responces that they were looking for they start getting mad.

Folding when you know you are beat isnt being a NIT its being smart

dude look at the hand history. he caught the ten on 7th. started wit h a710. wow you are a moron.

No retard they scramble the down cards dip shit. Stick to NLHE. You played it bad and everyone who has posted agrees but you and you are the one who is asking for help. When you get a better clue into stud8 or can take the criticism then start posting again.

LOLOLOLOL you couldnt be more wrong. U dont play on stars much do you? You should really feel like a dip shit. They scramble the cards on FUll tilt, not on pokerstars. Get it right before you start acting like a douchebag. No wonder your responses were so ****ed and off base.

lol at you.

this is pretty funny

hey fitz if the only thing you could come up with that you did wrong in this hand was that the "villain played it bad" then why don't you find him and tell to play better next time and then you will never lose.

ok

Whether they scramble them or not is not the issue. Even if he hit the T on the river you were still beat going into 7th. You played the hand horrible that is the issue. You were behind on every street. Stop being a fuc.king cry baby cause you played like a ****.ing donk. It happens, everyone makes bad plays, but you asked about the hand and everyone told you that you played it bad and you took it personal and started to attack people because you lost the hand and played it shi.tty. If you dont want help then stop asking for it. Everyone gave you solid advice then you started to attack people that were helping you out.
As for my responses being off base, the only that is possibly wrong is stars scrambling the down cards. Every where I have played stud they scramble. I havent played stud on stars.
All the other Stud 8 advice is spot on. Not only from me but everyone else that posted above.

If he did indeed start with A7T then yes he played it bad too. It still doesnt change that fact that you were still behind and chasing him, and still should have gotten away from the hand on 4th instead of costing yourself multiple bets trying to get HALF of the pot back, because in all truthfulness not once did you think you had a chance to scoop the pot. And like everyone has said before, Scooping is what it is all about.

dude your advice is terrible and you are wrong imo. the only streets i played bad were 6th and 7th and it was because i got very unlucky. I dont see how you are saying i was playing for half of the pot. Do you not see on 5th that both villains had kings showing and i had my pair of queens showing as well as my low cards. HOW IS THAT PLAYING FOR HALF THE POT ONLY? I was the only player with any scoopability and this is why your advice is off base and just bad but ty for trying. Give me a reason why i should be open folding on 4th street. What about 5th street? You seem to have just ingored 5th street. Please go into detail on how you think i was playing for half the pot on 5th and why you think i was wasting bets. I dont understand your logic at all here and btw i know that scooping is what its all about ffs. i apologize for being so hostile towards you, i can be nasty sometimes but most would say im a good guy i think.

Your thinking is the reason I enjoy playing stud8, too bad there aren't many live games in my area. Its just like the low limit Live $3-6 and $4-8 LHE players I play with.....any 2 can win.... its only 1 bet.

So you got lucky (like you claim villian did) and hit QQ on 4th and 5th so i apologize, you were ahead all of 1 street. Like I said before, you should have mucked on 4th when you caught bad. 6th is an absolute no brainer fold.
As far as playing for half the pot. Not once did you feel you had a chance to scoop until 5th when you hit QQ (even then QQ wins very very few pots in stud 8). When you bet 4th it wasnt to catch another Q it was to catch a low to keep drawing. I think you keep looking at the results and seeing that you were ahead on 5th and get mad that you lost the pot. You really need to just forget about 5th street and concentrate on what you did wrong in the hand and understand why it was wrong.
You could have gotten away from the hand on 4th...not the worst play to c/c but I you bet. 5th You bet while ahead, thats fine. 6th is an easy c/f but you bet when you are obviously behind, not good. 7th (You should only have seen if he checked behind) is ok. You are probably beat but since he never raised and you made 2 pair you almost have to call and hope.

I really think your biggest problem with the hand is that you are analyzing it from being ahead on 5th, and thats affecting the way you look at the rest of the hand.

Do you play much stud8 or mostly just in HORSE tournys?

you never went into detail about how i was only playing for half the pot, please do so. Why do u want me to muck on 4th? I was the aggressor in the hand so im obv not just open mucking. Both villains hit bricks why not bet to get them to fold?


yes i have actually won a a micro stud 8 tourney before with over 300 entrants as well as multiple HORSE tourneys and i do knwo what im doing.

I dont think you can just assume both villains did not hit bricks. I think you can easily put Xpect on a brick, but not Jackel
Obv. youre not going to open muck on 4th, I'm saying c/f or c/c is better. I think your reasoning to bet is wrong. They see that you are drawing low and missed with the Q. They are not folding a high hand until you atleast catch another scary low card. The Q obv missed you. We've already stated that if Jackel played A7T on 3rd it was a bad play on his part, but I think at min. you have to put him on a pair of T on 3rd. So if we have him on TT we are behind. We catch bad on 4th and he catches a K, because Xpect gets a K as well we figure him to not have Kings up yet. On 4th Xpect is gonna check behind, Jackel might bet then we can make the decision to call or fold, if not then we get to see a free card when we are drawing.
Again 5th was fine... your showing QQ and have to bet to try to now get them to fold 1 pair, but they dont.
6th Jackel catches a K and I reallly think this is and easy c/f. He is showing a higher pair, we are behind and drawing worse. If you call you have to figure to be drawing to 3 outs.

My biggest thing is that I feel you had chances to get away from the hand earlier and without much damage. It doesnt sound like you ever put any of the villains on hands. It just sounds like your plan was to bet and they would fold because you bet. When you catch bad as well it doesnt work like that.

We may just have to agree to disagree

this is much better and now i see the reasoning behind what you were saying before. I agree that it is kind of silly for me to be commiting myself to this hand at this stage of the tournament but against a sane player i think my play works and i take down the pot. Oh well, it is all in the past now and i learned something from it. Thanks for the responses.