NoBBiR
Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 9:53 AM
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 6:17 AM)

i dunno look at the villains stats a flop raise is rather scary.
Also a river raise sucks, because you are going to never get paid off by one pair hands from a nit.
That's what I was thinking.
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 8:52 AM)

Even if the only thing he pays us with is AK, we're still a 3:2 favorite against a very tight range (flopped boats, quads, or top two).
He can't have quads, so we're basically looking at AK/better Jack/Boat. I really don't think anyone short of a complete idiot is paying us if we raise the river with anything we beat.
QUOTE (Ouch-8s @ Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 9:31 AM)

It is entirely possible that I am seeing monsters in my closet, but the flop reraise was scary to me. AA/AJ seemed very possible, as did a better jack. And when he checked the turn, I got very confused - why would he do that given the draws, and having raised PF and with the flop action, without a boat, unless he was going waaaay off the reservation (he had been pretty aggro preflop but post flop was passsssivvvvve). Once he did that i assumed he was either super strong or was full of it, and thought that the best course was to let him bluff/fire at a river and call him down.
I honestly believe that people do a lot of fruity things when they are "trapping." Checking the turn with Trips/AA/AJ is very likely in my opinion. I really don't see much value in a river raise without a read that he's a moron. And honestly, what do we do if we bet the turn and he shovels? Meh.