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BaseJester
I think this is why we want maniacs on our left.

Hold'em No Limit ($2.00/$4.00) - 2008-07-18 22:33:00
Table 'Clencoe' 9-max
SB $426.00)
BB ($310.00)
UTG ($230.82)
UTG+1 ($218.95)
BaseJester ($394.00)
Maniac ($400.00)
hijack ($230.00)
cutoff ($400.66)
Button ($903.50)

preflop
UTG raises $10.00 to $14.00. UTG+1 folds.
BaseJester calls $14.00 with Q icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif . Maniac raises $46.00 to $60.00.
3 folds. SB calls $58.00. BB folds. UTG calls $46.00.
BaseJester: ??
Vinny_Barberino
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Friday, July 18th, 2008, 10:33 PM) *
I think this is why we want maniacs on our left.

Hold'em No Limit ($2.00/$4.00) - 2008-07-18 22:33:00
Table 'Clencoe' 9-max
SB $426.00)
BB ($310.00)
UTG ($230.82)
UTG+1 ($218.95)
BaseJester ($394.00)
Maniac ($400.00)
hijack ($230.00)
cutoff ($400.66)
Button ($903.50)

preflop
UTG raises $10.00 to $14.00. UTG+1 folds.
BaseJester calls $14.00 with Q icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif . Maniac raises $46.00 to $60.00.
3 folds. SB calls $58.00. BB folds. UTG calls $46.00.
BaseJester: ??


pushes? Hasn't the SB and UTG (especially) already defined their hands to hands you are ahead of by cold calling his raise? The only person who can have a monster right now is the maniac, and since we classify him as such, shouldn't it narrow the chances? You are either gonna take that money in the middle or get it in good here like everytime except the few times you picked the wrong hand to pick off the maniac and he has Kings or Aces.
Metternich
3-bet the initial raiser?
Temporary Nuts
shoves and reloads play mobnies
NoBBiR
QUOTE (Metternich @ Friday, July 18th, 2008, 8:31 PM) *
3-bet the initial raiser?



QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Friday, July 18th, 2008, 9:00 PM) *
shoves and reloads play mobnies
BaseJester
QUOTE (Metternich @ Saturday, July 19th, 2008, 12:31 AM) *
3-bet the initial raiser?

The maniac has played 2/3 and raised half the hands so far. I don't want to show the strength of my hand to the rest of the field in case the maniac raises. That is, I want the field to call against his 3-bet range, not mine. Plus I get to see what they do.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Saturday, July 19th, 2008, 8:32 AM) *
The maniac has played 2/3 and raised half the hands so far. I don't want to show the strength of my hand to the rest of the field in case the maniac raises. That is, I want the field to call against his 3-bet range, not mine. Plus I get to see what they do.


Ok, you do realize that when you slowplay very vulnerable hands like QQ multiway you're just asking to lose money? Betting things yourself is just never wrong when you're strong. If lagtard folds and 6 people call behind, you're SOL.
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (BaseJester @ Saturday, July 19th, 2008, 11:32 AM) *
The maniac has played 2/3 and raised half the hands so far. I don't want to show the strength of my hand to the rest of the field in case the maniac raises. That is, I want the field to call against his 3-bet range, not mine. Plus I get to see what they do.

Let's follow through with the plan and push here. We're only worried about Maniac...and we're not that worried about him.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, July 19th, 2008, 3:52 PM) *
Let's follow through with the plan and push here. We're only worried about Maniac...and we're not that worried about him.

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BaseJester
I used the bet pot button, which left a hundred few dollars. The flop came low cards. I pushed and maniac called with AK. Even maniacs can have good hands.
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