BigDMcGee
Friday, July 18th, 2008, 7:07 AM
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/07/watchme...iler_is_slo.phpOkay, I'm excited.
If you're a comicbook fan, and you've never read the Watchmen, shame on you.
If you're kind of a comic book fan or were as a kid but got tired of them as you grew up because they were juvinille, go out and buy the Watchman graphic novel.. you can get them even at Borders and Barnes and Noble, and at any comic shop.
If you think comics are dumb, go out at read this graphic novel. It is absolutely the greatest deconstruction of the whole concept of "superheros" it was the first ( and in many ways, the greatest) attempt to show what it would really, really be like to have superheros and masked vigilante's, what it would mean geo-politically, socially, psychologically, inter-personally. IT also has one of the greatest endings of any story, book, movie or comic. It is a staggeringly good comic. I'll be shocked if the movie comes close to the comic. but this trailer got me excited.
Jadaki
Friday, July 18th, 2008, 7:33 AM
I've been following a thread on the making of this on another forum for a while. I didn't realize the trailer was out already.
Jadaki
Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 8:06 PM
Saw the trailer before Batman, holy shit it looks like it will be great.
The very end of the trailer when Rorschach says "The world will look up and shout save us... and I'll whisper no" instantly sold me on this movie.
Vinnie_Terranova
Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 8:09 PM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 10:06 PM)

The very end of the trailer when Rorschach says "The world will look up and shout save us... and I'll whisper no" instantly sold me on this movie.
That wasnt in the trailer I saw.
The one I saw didnt sell me, at all.
Jadaki
Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 8:11 PM
QUOTE (Vinnie_Terranova @ Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 11:09 PM)

That wasnt in the trailer I saw.
The one I saw didnt sell me, at all.
Try
this one then.
Don Giovanni
Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 8:11 PM
cant ****ing wait for this. did you see the trailor where dr manhatten blows up that Vietnamese guy? that was sick.
qyayqi
Monday, July 21st, 2008, 9:35 PM
i'll admit that i am tempted to pick up a copy of this grpahic novel. i collected a few comics many, many moons ago.
Dirtydutch
Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 1:17 AM
QUOTE (qyayqi @ Monday, July 21st, 2008, 9:35 PM)

i'll admit that i am tempted to pick up a copy of this grpahic novel. i collected a few comics many, many moons ago.
It's probably the greatest of all time, at least based on what I've read.
Jadaki
Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 5:29 AM
QUOTE (qyayqi @ Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 12:35 AM)

i'll admit that i am tempted to pick up a copy of this grpahic novel. i collected a few comics many, many moons ago.
There is a torrent of the comics out there, it's easy enough to find.
bigkg
Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 3:26 PM
I had no idea this movie was even being made until I saw the trailer for it. I was giddy right after seeing it.
I doubt the movie will be able to capture what the comic did, but it will still be awesome to see.
Swift_Psycho
Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 3:41 PM
QUOTE (bigkg @ Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 7:26 PM)

I doubt the movie will be able to capture what the comic did, but it will still be awesome to see.
Agreed, and I probably fall into the category of people who are skeptical of the ability to translate the book to the big screen. There's just way too much stuff going on for them to cram into a few hours. I'm actually pretty interested in seeing the movie just to see just how much had to be left out.
And because it will probably be entertaining as hell either way.
BigDMcGee
Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 4:39 PM
Of course the movie won't be able to capture everything... the comic has sublty and nuance that a movie couldn't hope ( and wouldn't hope) to cover. What I hope it does do, is have an entertaining, well thought out mystery, with an amazing ending, like the comic. Anything else is bonus.
brvheart
Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 10:31 PM
So I saw this preview before the Dark Knight tonight and it didn't look exciting or even remotely good. Of course, I have no idea what the comic is about and I've never even heard of it. It was hilarious how the trailer was showing all these characters and then it would pause on them like I was supposed to get excited to see them... and all I could think was, "Man this looks gay. If I was 37 and lived in my parents basement, I'll bet I would have a HUGE hard-on right now."
BigDMcGee
Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 10:39 PM
QUOTE (brvheart @ Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 10:31 PM)

So I saw this preview before the Dark Knight tonight and it didn't look exciting or even remotely good. Of course, I have no idea what the comic is about and I've never even heard of it. It was hilarious how the trailer was showing all these characters and then it was pause on them like I was supposed to get excited to see them... and all I could think was, "Man this looks gay. If I was 37 and lived in my parents basement, I'll bet I would have a HUGE hard-on right now."
LOL well.. the preview did little to capture why the story is good.. and you're right, only comic fans would get excited seeing that preview.
pokerinc
Wednesday, July 23rd, 2008, 1:24 AM
so pumped for the movie, I haven't seen the preview, hope Rorshak's (s/p) voice fits what it sounded like in my head while reading.
if anyone doesn't know it's the same author as V for Vendetta so take that as a point of referance.
also, while you're out shopping get Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns".
qyayqi
Wednesday, July 23rd, 2008, 3:08 AM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 7:29 AM)

There is a torrent of the comics out there, it's easy enough to find.
it is odd how things change. a year ago i would have been all over this suggestion. today? i'll probably wait to get to a bookstore & give them their money for something that is supposed to be quality.
Jadaki
Wednesday, July 23rd, 2008, 5:35 AM
QUOTE (qyayqi @ Wednesday, July 23rd, 2008, 6:08 AM)

it is odd how things change. a year ago i would have been all over this suggestion. today? i'll probably wait to get to a bookstore & give them their money for something that is supposed to be quality.
I have both. I own the GN and I have it on my laptop just in case I feel like having easy access to it.
FARGOpokerND
Friday, July 25th, 2008, 12:02 AM
So the preview interested me, so I went to Barnes and Noble today to look for the Watchmen series, but couldn't find them. What should I be looking for titles that have Watchmen in them? Or should I be looking for something completely different?
Don Giovanni
Friday, July 25th, 2008, 5:12 AM
QUOTE (FARGOpokerND @ Friday, July 25th, 2008, 12:02 AM)

So the preview interested me, so I went to Barnes and Noble today to look for the Watchmen series, but couldn't find them. What should I be looking for titles that have Watchmen in them? Or should I be looking for something completely different?
its just one big comic, or graphic novel some would say.
showstopper24
Friday, July 25th, 2008, 8:19 AM
QUOTE (FARGOpokerND @ Friday, July 25th, 2008, 12:02 AM)

So the preview interested me
Speaking of the preview, in the original trailer, one of the characters had a gun pointing at the camera, but they were forced to change it to a walkie-talkie because trailers aren't allowed to show guns pointing at the audience.
BigDMcGee
Friday, July 25th, 2008, 8:34 AM
QUOTE (FARGOpokerND @ Friday, July 25th, 2008, 12:02 AM)

So the preview interested me, so I went to Barnes and Noble today to look for the Watchmen series, but couldn't find them. What should I be looking for titles that have Watchmen in them? Or should I be looking for something completely different?
the watchman was a miniseries that ran in like 1986... it was only like 8-12 issues or so. It was put out with DC, but had nothing to do with the DC universe. The mini series is the only thing the watchman characters were ever in. If you go to a comic shop, or barnes and noble, just ask someone who works there.
FARGOpokerND
Friday, July 25th, 2008, 10:36 AM
I was reading on Wiki today that it was 12 issues but on the 20th anniversary of the comic, they combined it into one book. Apparently a new re-release is coming in November this year as well.
Time Magazine has the Watchmen series as the only graphic novel in the top 100 books of American Literature since 1923 (whatever that means...just sounded cool)
Jadaki
Friday, July 25th, 2008, 10:50 AM
It's also the only comic based story to win a Hugo award. It's that good.
vonteego3
Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 4:09 PM
I'm a GENIUS.
I used to date a girl that was a bit older than me, and she LOVED The Watchmen when it came out. A few years ago, rumors surfaced that it was gonna be a movie, so I went onto e-bay and bought the complete set, #1-12, first run, for $26 including shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-WATCHMEN-1-12-Full...p3286.m14.l1318That's not my set on e-bay, but I'm trying to determine the best time to sell it... wait until we get closer to the release, or try to capitalize on the excitement due to The Dark Knight?
And does anyone wanna buy it?
Moneyball16
Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 5:53 PM
QUOTE (vonteego3 @ Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 6:09 PM)

I'm a GENIUS.
I used to date a girl that was a bit older than me, and she LOVED The Watchmen when it came out. A few years ago, rumors surfaced that it was gonna be a movie, so I went onto e-bay and bought the complete set, #1-12, first run, for $26 including shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-WATCHMEN-1-12-Full...p3286.m14.l1318That's not my set on e-bay, but I'm trying to determine the best time to sell it... wait until we get closer to the release, or try to capitalize on the excitement due to The Dark Knight?
And does anyone wanna buy it?
Nice deal. Id probably wait until its close to opening, but then again the reviews could be shitty and it may bomb at the box office so now may be the best time.
BigDMcGee
Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 6:15 PM
QUOTE (vonteego3 @ Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 4:09 PM)

I'm a GENIUS.
I used to date a girl that was a bit older than me, and she LOVED The Watchmen when it came out. A few years ago, rumors surfaced that it was gonna be a movie, so I went onto e-bay and bought the complete set, #1-12, first run, for $26 including shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-WATCHMEN-1-12-Full...p3286.m14.l1318That's not my set on e-bay, but I'm trying to determine the best time to sell it... wait until we get closer to the release, or try to capitalize on the excitement due to The Dark Knight?
And does anyone wanna buy it?
I would sell them now, right now. I do not think the price will get higher than it is right now, if they are really going for 200 bucks. The watchman was an incredibly popular series, and pretty much ushered in the comics "collectors" boom. So, pretty much any comic "collector" who wants that series, already has it. So right now, for the first time in ages, you're actually getting speculators. But the supply of watchman sets is quite large, so I don't see that these prices are going to last forever. I'd sell before the market corrects itself.
bobbywithani
Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 7:00 PM
As with Hellboy and Sin City, I think since this is a relatively unkown comic to the masses, the movie should be very good, as there will not be any need to pander to the public say the way Spiderman and X-men did.
mbreon
Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 8:18 PM
Never heard of it
This should be a very interesting movie. It seems like the story might not translate too well to the big screen, but there's no doubt it will look great, and I'm sure Snyder knows the importance of doing this one well.
The graphic novel is definitely worth a read for anyone who hasn't read it already.....the novel is considered a "modern classic" (didn't Time magazine but it in their best books of the 20th century list or something?).....can't wait to see more on this movie as it becomes available.
BigDMcGee
Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 10:22 PM
QUOTE (bobbywithani @ Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 7:00 PM)

As with Hellboy and Sin City, I think since this is a relatively unkown comic to the masses, the movie should be very good, as there will not be any need to pander to the public say the way Spiderman and X-men did.
Also with Spiderman and the Xmen, there is no definitive source material that they are adapting. They are more.. iconic than the watchmen, they are more archetypes, more of an idea, than they are a specific thing. Other than, maybe, spiderman's origin, there is no story they really need to adapt, they can just take the idea of the spiderman, or the xmen, and make their own specific story. With something like the watchman, it is a very specific thing, it's not just characters that need adaptation to the big screen, but more importantly a STORY that needs to be adapted. And, much like any book that has a cult following ( LOTR for example) the hardcore fan base is going to have very strict expectations that the adapters stay true to the original story. Me personally? I care much more about them making a good movie than I do about them staying true to specific details..
I imagine, to make it relevant to the modern audience, that the war on terror will be the backdrop of the story and not the Cold war. And that's fine, it needs to be relevant. I just hope they stay true to the spirit of the watchman. Somethings MUST stay true to the GN, such as Ozymandias MUST get away with it. The ending is what made the book so mind blowing, and they HAVE to kept it intact, or I'll be crushed.
bobbywithani
Saturday, July 26th, 2008, 10:30 PM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 1:22 AM)

Also with Spiderman and the Xmen, there is no definitive source material that they are adapting. They are more.. iconic than the watchmen, they are more archetypes, more of an idea, than they are a specific thing. Other than, maybe, spiderman's origin, there is no story they really need to adapt, they can just take the idea of the spiderman, or the xmen, and make their own specific story. With something like the watchman, it is a very specific thing, it's not just characters that need adaptation to the big screen, but more importantly a STORY that needs to be adapted. And, much like any book that has a cult following ( LOTR for example) the hardcore fan base is going to have very strict expectations that the adapters stay true to the original story. Me personally? I care much more about them making a good movie than I do about them staying true to specific details.. I imagine, to make it relevant to the modern audience, that the war on terror will be the backdrop of the story and not the Cold war. And that's fine, it needs to be relevant. I just hope they stay true to the spirit of the watchman. Somethings MUST stay true to the GN, such as Ozymandias MUST get away with it. The ending is what made the book so mind blowing, and they HAVE to kept it intact, or I'll be crushed.
Yeah your point about Xmen and spidey is dead on. Already a lot of the fanboys are bitching because they didn't like 300, but 300 was great going by the comic, I just thought the comic was pretty weak to begin with. As long as this isn't the disaster that V for Vendetta was I will be happy. That tried way to hard to make it relevant in a post 9/11 world.
LJB723
Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 9:44 AM
On route to see TDK I told a friend that there would be a trailer for The Watchmen on before the film. Needless to say the British version had no such trailer and we were greeted with a trailer for yet another Guy Ritchie crapfest. So thanks to Jadaki for posting The Watchmen trailer here and withholding my friend's beating me for getting his hopes up!
BigDMcGee
Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 11:14 AM
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 9:44 AM)

On route to see TDK I told a friend that there would be a trailer for The Watchmen on before the film. Needless to say the British version had no such trailer and we were greeted with a trailer for yet another Guy Ritchie crapfest. So thanks to Jadaki for posting The Watchmen trailer here and withholding my friend's beating me for getting his hopes up!
*cough cough* ahem... * cough cough*
vonteego3
Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 1:00 PM



So, who wants 'em?
There's a set at 275 on e-bay right now, and I'm gonna take the advice and sell now, I think. As far as I can tell, they're in great condition... edges and corners are all sharp, no stains, no bends. Can someone make a judgment of their condition from these pictures? Anyone wanna buy 'em? And do we have any e-bay experts that could help me out?
LJB723
Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 6:49 PM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 8:14 PM)

*cough cough* ahem... * cough cough*
I'm sorry sir. I see you posted the first link, but it was Jadaki's I followed. Apologies. But you dissed Tool in another thread so fu
ck ya!
Jadaki
Monday, August 4th, 2008, 4:50 PM
For some of you who might be opposed to reading, someone has taken to the task of animating and narrating the comics.
The first comic is complete except for an excerpt at the end... 3 parts on YouTube.
Episode 1 - Part 1Episode 1 - Part 2Episode 1 - Part 3
bobbywithani
Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 6:50 PM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Monday, August 4th, 2008, 7:50 PM)

For some of you who might be opposed to reading, someone has taken to the task of animating and narrating the comics.
The first comic is complete except for an excerpt at the end... 3 parts on YouTube.
Episode 1 - Part 1Episode 1 - Part 2Episode 1 - Part 3 This is really cool. I just went ahead and bought it off of itunes so I could actually see the animation clearly. Well worth it, and the sounds that they use definetly are perfect for the feel of the comic.
FARGOpokerND
Monday, October 27th, 2008, 12:14 AM
I just bought the Novel and spent a good portion of a 9 hr ride to IL reading it.
Should be done with it by Tuesday.
Just thought I would share this.
I put the book down long enough to write this.
BigDMcGee
Monday, October 27th, 2008, 8:11 AM
QUOTE (FARGOpokerND @ Monday, October 27th, 2008, 1:14 AM)

I just bought the Novel and spent a good portion of a 9 hr ride to IL reading it.
Should be done with it by Tuesday.
Just thought I would share this.
I put the book down long enough to write this.
It's okay to call them comics, that's what they are. Just because a comic is really good, doesn't make it not a comic. "Graphic Novel" was an 90's marketing gimmick, to trick people into not feeling guilty about buying comics.
SuitedAces21
Tuesday, October 28th, 2008, 2:23 PM
I saw the trailer Jada talked about earlier. It was better than the one I remember. I'll probably see it, but Im not like R Kelly at recess over here or anything.
bigkg
Thursday, November 13th, 2008, 7:32 PM
Painter567
Thursday, November 13th, 2008, 9:23 PM
QUOTE (bigkg @ Thursday, November 13th, 2008, 10:32 PM)

Nice!
vegasguy
Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 9:45 PM
New trailer was pretty bad-ass. The only part I didn't like was the group was called the Watchmen. They were never called that in the book. Its just the title.
Jadaki
Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 1:05 PM
chrozzo
Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 3:34 PM
meh
Jadaki
Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 4:50 PM
QUOTE (chrozzo @ Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 5:34 PM)

meh
Really stooping to new lows to up your post count aren't you?
If I was a mod I would lock you at 19999 and never let you hit 20k.
chrozzo
Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 5:11 PM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 7:50 PM)

Really stooping to new lows to up your post count aren't you?
If I was a mod I would lock you at 1999 and never let you hit 2k.
meh = i saw the trailer and it doesnt really suit my tastes
BigDMcGee
Thursday, January 1st, 2009, 11:17 PM
QUOTE (chrozzo @ Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 6:11 PM)

meh = i saw the trailer and it doesnt really suit my tastes
Yeah, the trailer was short on sodomy and mirco brews.
bigkg
Friday, February 13th, 2009, 12:18 PM
There has been advanced screenings of the movie, and the ending is different and has been leaked. This is what I have heard the ending is, though I have no proof it is so.
They cut the squid. Veidt frames Dr. Manhattan. Apparently Manhattan's impact on technology is much more apparent than it was in the comic, and he has bases around the world that help develop his new technology. Veidt rigs those to set off nuclear explosions, thus uniting the world against Manhattan instead.
LJB723
Friday, February 13th, 2009, 3:18 PM
QUOTE (bigkg @ Friday, February 13th, 2009, 8:18 PM)

There has been advanced screenings of the movie, and the ending is different and has been leaked. This is what I have heard the ending is, though I have no proof it is so.
They cut the squid. Veidt frames Dr. Manhattan. Apparently Manhattan's impact on technology is much more apparent than it was in the comic, and he has bases around the world that help develop his new technology. Veidt rigs those to set off nuclear explosions, thus uniting the world against Manhattan instead.
Sigh, I just wanted to reply to this saying "I won't read the spoiler but I really hope they don't change the ending at all".
Of course as soon as I hit reply the spoiler cover comes off. GG me.
But anyway I'm still very excited about this movie, hence the new Watchmen themed av and sig.
Swift_Psycho
Friday, February 13th, 2009, 10:00 PM
QUOTE (bigkg @ Friday, February 13th, 2009, 3:18 PM)

There has been advanced screenings of the movie, and the ending is different and has been leaked. This is what I have heard the ending is, though I have no proof it is so.
They cut the squid. Veidt frames Dr. Manhattan. Apparently Manhattan's impact on technology is much more apparent than it was in the comic, and he has bases around the world that help develop his new technology. Veidt rigs those to set off nuclear explosions, thus uniting the world against Manhattan instead.
I had heard that they cut the squid, but I assumed they were somehow going to still stick to the original ending without it.
Anyway, even though it would have been cool if they had stuck to the original as much as possible, that altered ending still seems okay to me. Not as good in my opinion, but it still fits well with the story.
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