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Bessel
Bet365 No Limit Hold'Em, $0.20BB (5 handed)

UTG (£13.96)
CO ($40.73)
Hero ($19.7)
SB ($20.94)
BB ($25.84)

Preflop: Hero is button with as.gif, kd.gif.
UTG calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.80.

Flop: ($3.10) kh.gif, 8d.gif, qc.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $5, UTG folds, Hero?

BB was 24/17/infinity over 63 hands, and seemed competent. He could well be doing this w/ ATC or QK. Does anyone know how I find out his fold to c-bet % in PT3? I have it on my HUD, but can't find it currently.

Now I think this is a bad board to c-bet on (even though I hit), especially v 2 people. Is this wrong? Or do we have to bet here as we're not strong enough to slow play (I hate slow playing anyway). I am really trying to identify good spots to c-bet in, and not just randomly firing without thinking about it.

I was running 24/18/3.
rdtedm
QUOTE (Bessel @ Thursday, July 17th, 2008, 2:33 PM) *
Bet365 No Limit Hold'Em, $0.20BB (5 handed)

UTG (£13.96)
CO ($40.73)
Hero ($19.7)
SB ($20.94)
BB ($25.84)

Preflop: Hero is button with as.gif, kd.gif.
UTG calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.80.

Flop: ($3.10) kh.gif, 8d.gif, qc.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero?

UTG was 24/17/infinity over 63 hands, and seemed competent. Does anyone know how I find out his fold to c-bet % in PT3? I have it on my HUD, but can't find it currently.

Now I think this is a bad board to c-bet on, especially v 2 people. Is this wrong? Or should we bet out and fold to a check raise? I am really trying to identify good spots to c-bet in, and not just randomly firing without thinking about it.

I was running 24/18/3.


Um.. ok.

Anyways, we don't care what his fold to cbet% is. We want to bet the flop for value, and have a plan if we get raised. We have top top right now and no reason to think we're behind. I'm probably calling a flop raise anyways.
rdtedm
Also, I pretty much always cbet when I have the button with any two on any board.
psujohn
Too many straight draws to check behind or fold to a c/r. I bet about 2.5 here, call a c/r and re-evaluate the turn. And UTG with 70 BB can't be considered a shortie.
Bessel
OK I edited my OP, as it was a bit retarded asking for advice at the juncture I choose.
KingJames
If villain is competant and knows you will c-bet a decent % of time, he will raise you with ATC. Worrying about KQ is a little nitty, IMO

I hate to stack off with tptk, but I don't see an amount to raise that won't commit you if he shoves, so I shove here.

The pot will be laying him odds that he will call with KJ and AQ and at these limits I think KT and K9 are callers as well

Calling, on the other hand, is decent. With position, we get two new pieces of info (turn card and his action) and re-evaluate. AK is a hand I sometimes get too attached to

In summary, I shove here and puke if he sows KQ or 88
soulcage14
QUOTE (Bessel @ Friday, July 18th, 2008, 6:33 AM) *
Bet365 No Limit Hold'Em, $0.20BB (5 handed)

UTG (£13.96)
CO ($40.73)
Hero ($19.7)
SB ($20.94)
BB ($25.84)

Preflop: Hero is button with as.gif, kd.gif.
UTG calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.80.

Flop: ($3.10) kh.gif, 8d.gif, qc.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $5, UTG folds, Hero?

BB was 24/17/infinity over 63 hands, and seemed competent. He could well be doing this w/ ATC or QK. Does anyone know how I find out his fold to c-bet % in PT3? I have it on my HUD, but can't find it currently.

Now I think this is a bad board to c-bet on (even though I hit), especially v 2 people. Is this wrong? Or do we have to bet here as we're not strong enough to slow play (I hate slow playing anyway). I am really trying to identify good spots to c-bet in, and not just randomly firing without thinking about it.

I was running 24/18/3.


If the BB is competent as you think than i think that is a perfect board to be raising as a bluff or semi-bluff with any multitude of Qx or Kx hands, that you obviously have beat. Especially when you are running 24/18 a hugh range of your preflop raising hands didnt hit that board so his raise could just be to test his hand or take it off you when you c-bet 99, tt and Ax that missed.
A safe play would be call and wait for a safe turn card and then shovel or you could stick it in now. I think you have the best hand more then enough of the time to justify stacking off in this spot
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Bessel @ Thursday, July 17th, 2008, 12:33 PM) *
Now I think this is a bad board to c-bet on (even though I hit), especially v 2 people. Is this wrong?

Yes

Or do we have to bet here as we're not strong enough to slow play (I hate slow playing anyway).

Yes
TravisG
i call the flop planning to get it in or at least commit on the turn. against a lag you have to adjust his range there, which is considerably weaker than that of a TAG in this situation.
Bessel
OK clearly c-betting is not the issue here. I think c-betting is one of my biggest leaks, but I'm working on it.

Anyway hero calls the check raise.

Turn: ($13.10) 2s.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero?

Hero has $13.70 left, villain covers. Shove this blank?
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