PokerStars Game #18872791392: 7 Card Stud Limit ($10/$20) - 2008/07/16 - 20:28:08 (ET)
Table 'Umtata II' 8-max
Seat 2: CestSiBon ($553.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pokeroldmanl ($290 in chips)
Seat 4: LFISGD2ME ($130 in chips)
Seat 5: Walking dude ($300 in chips)
Seat 6: Intrepid ($461 in chips)
Seat 7: samajars ($609 in chips)
Seat 8: queenofhart ($540 in chips)
CestSiBon: posts the ante $1
pokeroldmanl: posts the ante $1
LFISGD2ME: posts the ante $1
Walking dude: posts the ante $1
Intrepid: posts the ante $1
samajars: posts the ante $1
queenofhart: posts the ante $1
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to CestSiBon [Tc]
Dealt to pokeroldmanl [6c]
Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h]
Dealt to Walking dude [9s]
Dealt to Intrepid [Js]
Dealt to samajars [7d]
Dealt to queenofhart [4c]
queenofhart: brings in for $3
CestSiBon: calls $3
pokeroldmanl: folds
LFISGD2ME: raises $7 to $10
Walking dude: calls $10
changho joins the table at seat #1
Intrepid: raises $10 to $20
samajars: folds
changho is sitting out
queenofhart: folds
CestSiBon: folds
LFISGD2ME: raises $10 to $30
Walking dude: folds
Intrepid: calls $10
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h] [8s]
Dealt to Intrepid [Js] [5c]
Intrepid: checks
LFISGD2ME: bets $10
Intrepid: calls $10
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h 8s] [6h]
Dealt to Intrepid [Js 5c] [7c]
Intrepid: checks
LFISGD2ME: bets $20
Intrepid: calls $20
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h] [4h]
Dealt to Intrepid [Js 5c 7c] [Td]
Intrepid: checks
LFISGD2ME: bets $20
Intrepid: raises $20 to $40
LFISGD2ME: raises $20 to $60
Intrepid: raises $20 to $80
Betting is capped
LFISGD2ME: calls $9 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($11) returned to Intrepid
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to LFISGD2ME [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h 4h] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LFISGD2ME: shows [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h 4h 5d] (a flush, Ace high)
Intrepid: mucks hand
LFISGD2ME collected $278 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $281 | Rake $3
Seat 2: CestSiBon folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 3: pokeroldmanl folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: LFISGD2ME showed [Ah Jh 9h 8s 6h 4h 5d] and won ($278) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: Walking dude folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 6: Intrepid mucked [Jc 7s Js 5c 7c Td Qc]
Seat 7: samajars folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: queenofhart folded on the 3rd Street

I don't necessarily like the 3-bet on third street. The villain has pretty much told you he has JJ+, which you are well behind right now. A 3-flush isn't THAT strong of a starting hand, even with an ace - I'd just call here and hope that villain reads me for split 9's and leads the whole way.

If you're doing this play to disguise your hand, I don't mind it - but if you were doing it for straight value - I don't like it at all. Obviously it worked out, and the rest of the streets were fine, but I really don't like 3rd.

i don't play much stud, but i was reading through stud for advanced players. in it he gives a similar example and says that it is a three bet on third here every time.

I love my play on 3rd knowing i have a jack and all my hearts are live~

come on guys what about my equity and being short stacked - their might be a lesson to be had here !

I highly doubt villain would have split jacks there. I would be willing to assume we're looking at QQ-J or TT-J over anything else. It's not a horrible play, I probably would've slowed down and played a smaller pot at the start when he raised 3rd, otherwise, I play it similarly.

Results say my read was wrong, but I was still deduce that I'm looking at queens or tens more often than not. He is, at the very least, obv saying he has split nines beat.

I cant check on 4th because i then announce i was 3 flush - If i were to check/fold i would have to do it on 5th if i bricked out .
Also when it's 3 bet on 3rd and i only have 130$ he now knows that the I am committing my entire stack which should give him a chance to fold

I'm not sure I agree with that statement, but it's your statement, not mine. Could you expand on it please? You've put 3 SBs into the pot, there's 8 total there, and you have 13 more behind. I'm not sure I would feel committed there.

looks pretty sweet

if someone has a a short stack and they three bet you - at that point you know they are not folding, they are saying " my 130$ is going in and you better hit your draw"

I fear the person with the short stack far more then they guy with the big stack

As far as deception goes, the 3-bet on 3rd works...

If villain has AA KK or even QQ I imagine they 4-bet, so I think that TT split jacks is most likely

His check raise on 6th makes me think it's TT and made a set

Well Played

I think three betting 3rd is good in some ways that it puts you in the lead, with position, assuming you don't catch a higher card than him. I like the bet on 4th as well,. but what was your plan if you happen to catch a total blank on 5th, do you slow down at that point and take a free card, trying to catch something, or do you continue with your bluff?