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Pdiddydog
Hey FCP I am pretty sure I know the answer to this one, but in Stud 8 when there are all high cards on the board on third street excluding the bring in, is it often correct to reraise a upcard bigger then yours if you know he/she is capable of stealing in this spot? Also what range of hands would you reraise with here?
pckt10s
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Pdiddydog
QUOTE (pckt10s @ Saturday, July 12th, 2008, 10:11 PM) *

Hey thanks
AmScray
Your scenario doesn't present nearly enough information to say one way or the other.
Lets start with who's in the pot (if any), who's left to act behind you, what their up card is, what you're holding in your own hand and the nature of the person against whom you're "formula raising".
Pdiddydog
QUOTE (AmScray @ Saturday, July 12th, 2008, 10:33 PM) *
Your scenario doesn't present nearly enough information to say one way or the other.
Lets start with who's in the pot (if any), who's left to act behind you, what their up card is, what you're holding in your own hand and the nature of the person against whom you're "formula raising".

Alright heres a example, says its 4 handed, a Q raises and you look down at 99T with the 9 up, a K and 3 are behind you, the player who raises with the Q raises in this situation very often since only the bring in is low, so is it a re raise or a fold? Now I have run into these situations recently and am wondering if they play more like stud hi where you raise to find out where you are at in the hand against a aggro player or if you are supposed to fold despite all the info.

Here is another example I have run into, heads up, your the bring in with J99 and a Ace raises which he does 100% of the time, are you supposed to fold here in a heads up situation?
dscoot
if u can play the rest of the streets profitably its never a bad move. with these boards the low cards are due to come, so your double raise should help fold the bringin meaning it is a scoop pot. plus its 4 handed , of course u can repop it.
quadaces
It really depends on how many people are in the pot and how many low cards are left to act behind you. Stud8 is obv. a split pot game and you dont want to have the 2nd best high hand at any point and get jammed by the High and Low hands capping every street on you. Dont worry about trying to pick off someones bluff, or try to push someone out of a pot. If you play Stud8 straight forward you will have success. There are a lot of very bad players that will call you down just to try and pick you off, or will try to make any low against you to get half back. Dont be that player. Give up your bad cards on 3rd and let people give you their money when you have good hands.
Pdiddydog
QUOTE (quadaces @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 9:40 AM) *
It really depends on how many people are in the pot and how many low cards are left to act behind you. Stud8 is obv. a split pot game and you dont want to have the 2nd best high hand at any point and get jammed by the High and Low hands capping every street on you. Dont worry about trying to pick off someones bluff, or try to push someone out of a pot. If you play Stud8 straight forward you will have success. There are a lot of very bad players that will call you down just to try and pick you off, or will try to make any low against you to get half back. Dont be that player. Give up your bad cards on 3rd and let people give you their money when you have good hands.

These were not bad players in this stiution, it was just someone capable of stealing since only 1 low card was out.
Pdiddydog
QUOTE (dscoot @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 1:28 AM) *
if u can play the rest of the streets profitably its never a bad move. with these boards the low cards are due to come, so your double raise should help fold the bringin meaning it is a scoop pot. plus its 4 handed , of course u can repop it.

Alright I made the correct choice then, of course if a Ace raised it was auto fold, what is your take on the second example?
checkymcfold
if the queen is raising with a king behind in stud8, he's got QQ almost all of the time. if he's bad postthird, call or reraise. if he's not, fold.
AmScray
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 3:30 PM) *
if the queen is raising with a king behind in stud8, he's got QQ almost all of the time.


"He's got QQ almost all of the time" is a bit of a stretch.
Pdiddydog
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 3:30 PM) *
if the queen is raising with a king behind in stud8, he's got QQ almost all of the time. if he's bad postthird, call or reraise. if he's not, fold.

What about the second example? What do you do when you know he raises in that situation 100% of the time.
checkymcfold
QUOTE (AmScray @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 6:01 PM) *
"He's got QQ almost all of the time" is a bit of a stretch.



a lot less than you'd think unless you know a lot about the villain. if you assumed this to be true without any evidence to the contrary for all of your opponents, you'd win lots.

fwiw, "he likes to steal" may or may not make changing your play correct.

"he makes this play 100% of the time," i assume even with overcards behind, makes this an insta3bet.



as to the other example, it depends on your and his dead cards, the amount of players still to act, and everyone's tendencies. there aren't any absolutes in stud--that's why people suck at it smile.gif.
AmScray
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 5:49 PM) *
a lot less than you'd think unless you know a lot about the villain. if you assumed this to be true without any evidence to the contrary for all of your opponents, you'd win lots.


What levels do you usually play at?
Pdiddydog
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 5:49 PM) *
a lot less than you'd think unless you know a lot about the villain. if you assumed this to be true without any evidence to the contrary for all of your opponents, you'd win lots.

fwiw, "he likes to steal" may or may not make changing your play correct.

"he makes this play 100% of the time," i assume even with overcards behind, makes this an insta3bet.
as to the other example, it depends on your and his dead cards, the amount of players still to act, and everyone's tendencies. there aren't any absolutes in stud--that's why people suck at it smile.gif.

I know bud that's why it's my favorite game, when I said heads up I meant 2 players at the table meaning I am the bring in with 99J and the Ace raises 100% of the time, I assume it is a call or fold as you will get called by the Ace all the time?
checkymcfold
QUOTE (AmScray @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 8:40 PM) *
What levels do you usually play at?



these days 3/6 to 10/20. i have played 30/60 in the past, though.
checkymcfold
QUOTE (Pdiddydog @ Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 10:47 PM) *
I know bud that's why it's my favorite game, when I said heads up I meant 2 players at the table meaning I am the bring in with 99J and the Ace raises 100% of the time, I assume it is a call or fold as you will get called by the Ace all the time?



calling is almost never correct unless you are pretty sure you are going to get isolation no matter what. if you think you're ahead often enough, 3bet and enjoy it when ace high calls and makes you money (most of the time--sometimes ace high is ahead smile.gif ).
Pdiddydog
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Monday, July 14th, 2008, 9:42 PM) *
calling is almost never correct unless you are pretty sure you are going to get isolation no matter what. if you think you're ahead often enough, 3bet and enjoy it when ace high calls and makes you money (most of the time--sometimes ace high is ahead smile.gif ).

I will get isolation when I am only against 1 player at the table, I pretty good actually at knowing when they break off and when they have a real hand (sick good at this game icon_cool.gif ). Anyway thanks to everyone who answered my question and confirming what I dun been thinking.
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