Ok, every single mention of this bet was from that point on. What do you mean nice try? He's showing exactly what the bet would have been. See? I bolded it.

LMAO




Does somebody need a hug?

And thanks for my new sig lmao

Yeah I saw this same argument he was making and was wondering if Sportsmack had even read Moneyball.

Evidence is for faux-intellectuals. I bet you have never even seen a sunset or lain with a woman. Your idea of a good time is programming in FORTRAN.

I am going to get my insults confused here, but it is very likely that you are also a homosexual.

There you are...hey have you paid Pokerkid555 from those bets yet? He won't pay me because he says you haven't paid him. Please pay him.

Yeah, he should have his money. If you don't get paid, just send me a PM and I'll take care of it somehow. I felt a little guilty about forgetting to pay him, but not now. He got all high and mighty with me, and he's refusing to pay you just because some other dirtbag hasn't paid him yet? I don't think it works like that, does it? "Sorry, man. I wish I could pay you for fixing my Air Conditioner, but my brother hasn't hit me back for that bar tab I covered on Friday, soo....."

LOL

LOL, thanks. Yeah I cut him a little slack cause he said he withdrew money from Stars to go on vacation with, and that he would re-deposit and transfer when he got home. Then he got home and said he couldn't deposit because he doesn't have a job lol. So he said he was waiting for you to pay him, so he could pay me. But it's been almost a month now and still nothing. He hasn't returned my last 2 PM's, so I doubt I'll ever see it, he seemed kinda shady to begin with. Oh well, live and learn.

I actually was super late to get him paid, and he got a little upset about it, so he was telling the truth on that front. Shouldn't be any worries, since I've got one of my lackey's (Bizzle) lackey's on it. If I'd known 3 days ago I just would've had it transferred to you.

Another stellar performance by Lincecum tonight!

HOWEVER, Bochy should be fired for letting him go 132 pitches - nothing to play for this season so gee why don't we protect our biggest weapon?

It's like they want Tim's arm to fall off at some point down the road. If the new majority owner has a clue, time to lay down the law on pitch counts!

It's absurd how many Manager's still disregard pitch counts.

It's absurd how many pitchers are total faggots about their arms. Rotator cuff health is totally overrated.

Tiny Tim for Cy Young?

Discuss.

Tiny Tim should definitely be the NL Cy Young winner. Wins aside I think hes been the best pitcher in the NL.

Not that you guys are biased or anything lmao, but seriously I'll give you one big reason why little Timmy won't win the CY...



Remember this guy?




Yes I know he doesn't have a cute little name like "The Freak," so he might lose a few votes for that, but overall B. Webb has been the most dominant pitcher in the NL this year. And don't go giving me the "but Tim Lincecum is doing all this on a losing team." Well, Cliff Lee is doing this on a losing team as well, and he's probably going to win the CY Young in the AL...so no extra brownie points for that. Discuss...

Why is Webb better, because he has more wins?

silly

I wouldnt have a problem with Webb winning the Cy Young. The numbers are very close.

Webb 19-5 2.96 ERA, 157 K, 46 BB, 1.12 WHIP in 188.2 innings. 3.05 FIP, 3.20 xFIP.
Lincecum 15-3, 2.43 ERA, 210 Ks, 70 BB, 1.18 WHIP in 185.1 innings. 2.72 FIP, 3.45 xFIP.

Really close. But I think Lincecum has been better. Also for those who feel wins should be a large part in deciding this should consider than Tims has a higher win percentage even though he doesn't have as many wins.

Also Johan isnt getting nearly enough Cy Young support in the media. Hes quietly put together a very good year.

No no, see you're getting that confused with why the D-backs are better than the Giants. I'm not saying that Lincecum hasn't been dominant, but Webb has been just as dominant and with 4 more wins, on a 1st place team. And while I agree that wins are overrated, a pitcher with the best W/L record on a 1st place team is always gonna be the "sexy" pick. There's absolutely no reason that I can think of to vote against Webb. The numbers are almost identical, he has more wins (again overrated in my mind), and he's doing it on a team that will probably win the division. If the roles were reversed and Lincecum had the extra wins on a division winner, then it would go to Lincecum. That's just how these things have always played out.

Now in the AL, there is no real dominant pitcher on any of the division leading teams. So chances are, Lee will probably win it on a team that might finish under .500. But I would say that he is a huge exception to the rule.

Lincecum has been just a little better than Webb. If Webb were to win though, I wouldn't complain.

Being on a good or bad team should have absolutely nothing to do with it, and I'd like to think the voters feel the same. This isn't the MVP award.

The Oakland fan who tells us that Justin Duchscherer is better than Tim Lincecum thinks we're biased. Oh.

LOL, I don't remember quoting you in that post, read it again bro.

first, the 'you're taking this too seriously' line is just a substitute for the 'my argument is totally wrong and you've blown me out of the water' line.


now, on to what I was going to say



if anything, Lincecum's wins are more impressive. He's doing it for a team that's scored 100 less runs. Without knowing the actual stats, I'd venture a guess that Webb gets more runs per game and this obviously helps get more wins (and/or less runs makes it harder to get wins).

I know tacticalbear discounts ERA but

Webb 19-5 2.96 ERA, 157 K, 46 BB, 1.12 WHIP in 188.2 innings. 3.05 FIP, 3.20 xFIP.
Lincecum 15-3, 2.43 ERA, 210 Ks, 70 BB, 1.18 WHIP in 185.1 innings. 2.72 FIP, 3.45 xFIP.


being a half point better has got to count for something.

seems like TL should be the favourite

Ripped right from the JoePosnanski article, eh? I just read that like 10 minutes ago.

I really think the Webb/Lincecum argument boils down to what you're looking for. Lincecum's FIP is slightly better, but his xFIP is slightly worse. (For the unititiated, FIP is calculated from BB/9, K/9, and HR/9, whereas xFIP normalizes for HR/9, since HR rate is thought to be simply a function of flyball rate). Webb has probably given up more HRs/flyball than he should, but he gives up so few flyballs anyway that it doesn't matter much. His FIP is helped by his low flyball rate, and it's possible his xFIP is too high, as his HR/flyball may be naturally lower than other pitchers'.

In short: I don't think I mind either way. If we really wanted to get nit-picky, we'd adjust for the levels of competition has faced, and use that to make the determination, but I wouldn't care no matter who won the balloting. Santana has a good case, too. He may be having the best year of all of the NL pitchers.


Wang

I don't know who Joe Posnanski is.

I think most of the voters will look at wins, k's, era, and how good their respective team is. I think a lot of them will say that the 20+ wins Webb gets plus them probably making the playoffs outweighs the era and k advantage lincecum has. Now some of you will probably say, "hey there's tons of other stats (and more meaningful ones)." But, these are probably mostly 50-70 year old writers who've been doing this for 30+ years and they've done it this way every year. Actually they'll probably throw in walks as well and that's advantage to Webb. As of now, I think TL is the candidate but I think Webb will get the votes.

I'd bet on Webb over TL. Never underestimate the depth the baseball writer's of america's sticks as buried in the mud.

lol

I don't think anybody here is suggesting Lincey will win. Unless something outrageous happens, Webb has this thing as good as locked up.

lol

The NL candidates are all really strong this year. Santana, Webb, and Lincecum are all great picks and then you have some great secondary choices like Dan Haren, Cole Hamels, and even C.C. Sabathia. It's really a pretty great race (or at least it would be if these things were voted on fairly and/or meant anything.)

BTW- Sportsmack I see that you were quoting Giants/Lincecum fans with the bias comment, but the irony of you pointing out the biases of others in this thread of all places is no less relevant or hilarious even given that fact.

Will you guys relax and let the guy do something of note before trying to making him out to be Koufax

Well that is certainly a weird reaction.

Unless Tim Lincecum killed his dog, who also happened to be Jewish. Then it's a perfectly reasonable response.

Yawn, had a shutout going into the 9th but 126 pitches! He and Cain are 1-2 in pitch counts this year in a season that doesn't matter.

I really hope that Lincecum is a freak of nature and stays healthy for a long time as the sky is the limit for this kid!

I'm not even a Giants fan, but I was SCREAMING at the gamecast last night. Just yelling. "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING BRUCE ****ING BOCHY?!" That is criminal. When I saw him batting for himself in the bottom of the 8th, I was certain there was simply a mistake

Bochy should get the ax.

Really rough game.

I love listening to Giants fans after games. On Saturday night I listened to his last start while driving home from way up in Northern California, and then listened to the post game show. If you heard that, you would think that the GIants were going to win the WS next year based off fan reactions. ZOMG PABLO SANDOVAL!@!@@!#@!#!@! One day Giants fans will realize that (like with Bowker), major league pitching adjusts very well. Last year at this time they thought Raje Davis was going to be the 'answer' this year.

Also, well played on that line drive Velez.

I hope the idiot Cy Young voters ignore everything except the # of wins and rob Lincecum, just so I can be entertained by retarded callers on KNBR.

QFMFT!!!

...LOL, I actually heard Brian Murphy say on the Murph and Mac show that he "can't wait for spring training." Ummmmmm...I guess he can't wait for the beginning of another losing season lol. Then I heard on caller say this morning that Bruce Boche should be fired for putting Velez in the outfield last night. Not because they've had a $hitty year mind you, but because the move caused Lincecum the game. The fan base in large part is a joke. Apparently a sub 500 year = a great season as long as your star pitcher has a chance to win the CY Young. Unbelievable.

God you're stupid. If you think that all the sheep that call KNBR represent all Giants fans then you really don't know what you're talking about dude. Some reason you have a ****ing hard on for hating the Giants. Go back to the shitty east bay and cheer for the A's.

Hence I said "a large part of the fan base" you douche. I didn't say all, or even most...I said "large part." What is your definition of "large part?" And my hard ons are absolutely none of your business, but thanks for caring

You mean go back to the East Bay where all the Championships are located? Okay, I think I will.

Lol, even though I find you annoying you crack me up.

But I must admit that Giants fans are probably the dumbest in baseball.

LOL, I listen to KNBR daily, and as a Giants fan agree that 90% of the callers are idiots. But I mean what are they supposed to do? You have to be optimistic to enjoy sports. Plus Giants fans have reason to be happy about the team, the way this season has progressed it looks like a 5 year rebuilding process from scratch is only gonna take 2-3 years. Yay for 2011!

As for the last week of the season, the only two things the Giants have going for them is Timmy's Cy Young and keeping the Dodgers out of the playoffs, a game which the DBacks don't seem to wanna participate in.

Like I told all my friends that are Giants fans, if they kept their expectations to the minimum then they would enjoy the year. Anytime you have good young pitching you have reason to be optimistic. Now, if you get rid of Sabean and that big headed freak Boche (not that he is to blame with the talent he has, I just like making fun of his head), you might be on to something. Then again, both the Dodgers and Dbacks have a ton of young talent themselves, and they most likely will only be getting better as well.

Last night might have been the end of the Lincecum for Cy Young run. I still think he deserves it over Webb, but I doubt he will get it with 18 wins max.

I think the Giants will be good if we make the Cain for Fielder and Hardy trade and when Posey and Gillespie (SP) Come up. We will have Lincecum for at least two years, so I hope it can get better.

What a great day! A victory for Reason over superstition. Grats, TL, you deserve it.

I wonder if Sportsmack thinks that A's pitcher is still better. I don't even remember his name he fell off the radar so quick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3938032

Just signed for 650K this year. He is eligible for salary arbitration after the 2009 season.

we have him locked up past the 2013 season.

+20 wins for tiny Tim this year? I think it's very possible with a stronger bullpen. Hopefully we can score him runs (sigh Cain).

LOL, this thread is a gem. And I wouldn't bet on Tim getting close to 20 wins. Its pretty ridiculously hard and too dependent on things besides how well he pitches.

So who's going to have a better year? Duke or the Freak?

This thread should be mandatory reading before opening day every year!