Wingman008
Sunday, July 6th, 2008, 10:59 PM
I hit the ace, but I'm facing an all in. Too early to get involved with a marginal hand? Or am I way far ahead the majority of the time?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (6 handed)
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Hero (t2350)
SB (t970)
BB (t1010)
UTG (t1710)
MP (t1520)
CO (t1440)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, K

.
UTG raises to t40, MP calls t40,
1 fold,
Hero raises to t150,
2 folds, UTG calls t110, MP calls t110.
Flop: (t480) Q

, A

, 5
(3 players)UTG checks,
MP bets t1370 (All-In), Hero folds, UTG folds.
Final Pot: t480
AGPmedia
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 12:41 AM
At this point, I would fold. Villian could be holding A,Q or A,5 with possible flush draw. For the amount of chips out there, seems like an easy fold.
Sheiky
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 2:10 AM
I would never ever fold there
LJB723
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 3:04 AM
If opponent has AsXs and played it this fast I'd be surprised. What if opponent bets 200, you raise right? Probably with a plan to put him all-in. All I see is that he's done it for you. Instasnapfistpumpleapdancecall.
Giggidy
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 3:07 AM
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Monday, July 7th, 2008, 12:04 PM)

Instasnapfistpumpleapdancecall.
lol, I agree
Sheiky
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 4:12 AM
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Monday, July 7th, 2008, 12:04 PM)

What if opponent bets 200, you raise right? Probably with a plan to put him all-in.
I like this thought process
TravisG
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 5:23 AM
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Monday, July 7th, 2008, 2:12 PM)

I like this thought process
There is a big difference between hoping the opponent calls your all in and calling an opponents all in.
LJB723
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 5:34 AM
QUOTE (TravisG @ Monday, July 7th, 2008, 2:23 PM)

There is a big difference between hoping the opponent calls your all in and calling an opponents all in.
In a situation where we have him covered and we have TPTK I don't really care how the money gets in the middle as long as it does.
And my point was if villain makes a more reasonable size bet, what would we do? We would raise 100% of the time, if villain were to shove we'd snap call. In this scenario the shove just came first and I am pretty happy about it.
jmbreslin
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 5:45 AM
This is one of those hands where the buy-in level becomes relevant. If this is micro stakes, people make stupid plays like this with a whole range of hands. In fact, you'll probably only see stupid moves like this at micro stakes.
Before folding to such a huge overbet you have to ask yourself what range of hands he is likely to play this way. The chances of this being a hand that has you beaten here is incredibly slim because if he's holding AA, AQ, or QQ, he would be trying to extract more money rather than open-pushing 3x the pot. The minraise from UTG and flop push also makes 55 very, very unlikely. So why would a player make such a ridiculous push on the flop like this? With what kinds of hands would he minraise from UTG and then make this flop push?
This is most likely a flush draw, probably something like AsJs. He's hoping to push you off your better Ace or double through if you call and he hits his nut flush.
copernicus
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 7:41 AM
Youre not facing a better hand unless its a set of 5s. With a flushed board Id suspect a semi-bluff here far more often than a set or two pair.
Mercury69
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 8:07 AM
Nobody re-raised you PF, so you're holding looks pretty good. I'd suspect a flush draw more than anything, but it's worth thinking about before you pop your chips in...
TravisG
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 5:08 PM
i actually think without read you are ahead and behind here 50% of the time. some players do this with something like A5,AQ,55 or something and hope you have an a, and some do it with a worse A or a flush draw. without a read on villains tendencies this is a call, because of randomness.
BeaverStyle
Monday, July 7th, 2008, 5:32 PM
$20 and lower buy-in's, Instasnapfistpumpleapdancecall.
>$20... I don't think I fold either.
Buy-in plays a huge part in my decision here... but I just don't see how a hand that pushes here is ahead of us, why wouldn't they check/raise?
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