PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO (t1260)
Button (t1745)
SB (t1530)
BB (t2415)
Hero (t1545)
MP (t505)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises to t150, MP raises to t505, CO raises to t1260, 3 folds, Hero folds.

Flop: (t1990) 2, 2, Q (2 players)

Turn: (t1990) 8 (2 players)

River: (t1990) K (2 players)

Final Pot: t1235

You're right, I should have raised more pf.

This is a fold right? Even though i've seen these guys call and raise down with air. I'm behind at least one of them, or at best a coinflip right?

No, why would you raise more PF? Anything much more than a standard raise pushes you past the commitment threshhold, but JJ is a hand that youre rarely thrilled to commit to post flop.

I play it the same as you.

What is the commitment threshold? 15% of my stack?

I might have used the wrong terminology, been a while since I read Professional NLHE, but 10% of your stack pre-flop threatens to take you to the point of commitment on the flop. I forget whether 10% is called the commitment threshhold, or if its the ~30% of your PF stack thats results from a pot sized bet on the flop. (10% PF + (20%+blinds) flop).

The point, however, is that 10% preflop can easily lead to commitment with top pair on the flop, so you need to be aware that 10% could be the first step toward getting it all in.

I say cram it PF and pray.

The advice sucks ass, but at least it was short.

By the same token, you must admit it can be difficult to believe that two guys have better holdings than the 4th best starting hand ever short-handed. There guys could easily be overplaying mid PP's.

It was a joke in response to the D-blog post. The problem with pushing is with 30 bbs it devalues them too much, reducing them to a bluff thats only going to be called by hands that dominate or AK.

The original quote is brilliant, but you've actually removed the part that was funny. Now it just reads like Churchill was being a generic foul mouthed drunk.

I mean, if you're being ironic then it's hellishly deep.

Fwiw, I think this is a call. Here's how we fare 3 ways (we need to be more than 35% to scoop the entire stacks, and we're 37%)


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.718% 36.92% 00.79% 30228858180 649428980.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 21.425% 20.43% 00.99% 16728939192 811381766.00 { 55+, A6s+, KTs+, QTs+, A7o+, KTo+, QJo }
Hand 2: 40.857% 39.50% 01.36% 32335851924 1112451854.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }



Here's how we fare HU vs. the larger stack for the side pot:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.655% 49.69% 00.96% 331857516 6413436.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 49.345% 48.38% 00.96% 323114172 6413436.00 { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }

oh! Ok... :-)





It's actually an old National Lampoon satire on WC's quotability. They take something witty and make it boorish and stupid, which is pretty funny in context.

Ah. You are forgiven then.

way too thin for a SnG, imo

+ev is +ev, guess i didn't know it was a sng anyway

Depends if you think CO is always cold 4bet shoving AQo there. I don't think he is.

I think it's a fold, but it's probably quite close either way.