The big stack, original raiser had raised 4 pots in a row. Went to showdown once and he had JTcc from MP. The caller had flat called all 4 of those raises. Saw him as an incredibly weak player. Actually at the next money level he would have tied for his biggest cash ever at $40.

Blinds 2500/5000 Ante 500

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t5000 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG+1 (t68220)
MP1 (t197171)
MP2 (t45128)
CO (t102470)
Hero (t93984)
SB (t3984)
BB (t141202)
UTG (t417586)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6 , 6 .

Final Pot: t11500

UTG (big stack) raises $7k to $12k

CO flat calls $12k

Hero?

Pot is $35k-ish

Flat call and see a flop? Fold? Raise/shove as a squeeze?

Wondering what you think is most profitable. A squeeze here if successful increases Hero's stack by over a third. So tough to put the caller on a range because he is such an unknown and weak.

I still don't know what is right. What you think?

I'd probably either shove or fold. I wouldn't be too worried about the CO and it depends how active the big stack has been...like whether he is trying to use his stack as an advantage.

I don't think there is anything wrong with folding here and believe calling is bad. The bet is 13% of your stack. A squeeze seems reasonable and if you get called you can only hope for a race.

Yea I shove.
Didn't see this at the time and I thought for some reason you'd shoved about 30 BB's when it was happening so was like wtf.

LOL... I'm a donk but not a huge donk.

this is probably really close given reads. generally i'd want to be a little stronger squeezing vs an utg o.r. (88+, AQ+) but it's probably not terrible against these monkeys. your stack isn't desperate @ ~20 BBs. flip a coin...

Looks like one of those situations where you have to decide whether this is the point in time at which you want to take the risk of busting out here to build your stack, or if you'd rather duck and cover for a bit longer.

I really like shoving here, I think the stack size works pretty well and the reward of increasing your position by a 3rd makes it worth it imo.

It's like the perfect spot to do this as well, a player who's raised 5 times in a row, a seemingly weak caller who has plenty of chips to fold, and the players involved both being in LP.

squeeeeeeeeeeeeze

I really loved shoving here as well. And as soon as the same guy flatted I knew I was shoving over these guys. Stacks, history, etc... I couldn't think of a better place to do it. I just didn't want to get results oriented and look at this from a range of villains hands point of view. Really glad you guys agree. In the past I wouldn't even think of squeezing here, but I think that is why I have been getting deep but not making the FT.



(UTG insta folded, donkey who flat calls ended up time bank/calling with TT. That is at the extreme high end of his range that I think would flat in that spot and still call)

The TT played it horribly. If he's willing to get it all in then he should shove to isolate, not respond to a push.

Hoo boy...

I think this is a perfect spot for a squeeze, but is 66 gonna do it for you if you get called, esp by the big stack? He may have a real hand here...Has he been raising from EP/UTG a fair bit?

I wouldn't worry about the CO. He probably has a naked A or a couple of connected overs, so you'll be racing if he calls, but I don't know if he's going to have the balls for that after limping...

Shove and pray 65%
Fold 35%


HAHAHAHA...the guy called with TT to see a floop? Bad move...that's major shovage right there...woulda saved you from a decision.

Yeah, that jerk. Coulda been an easy fold. Make it worse, he hit a T on the flop so I was drawing dead.


But the big stack was using his big stack. Min raising every hand since I got to the table. And the last 4 of them, the CO was flat calling. I was more worried the CO being unpredictable. I play it the same in the same spot again.

Lesson of the Day: Never EVER forget to consider the "retard" factor

His play there isn't retarded

He may be a retard though

Uhh, this statement is seriously untrue imo

'splain please?

SB is irrelevant, but hero is getting 3:1 and BB is getting at least 5:1. A flat call there is virtually always playing against 2 hands, usually 3. He doesnt have a stack big enough to set mine, but there arent very many flops he wants to see except a set, especially if button calls and he doesnt have position. That screams push to me.


The only way calling TT is right is if he expects a light squeeze. I seriously doubt that he's seen a light squeeze at this table, or even knows what a squeeze is.

I mean, I'd blast with 1010 there pre, I'd prob flat if I had 30 bbs or so tho, but i really don't think his flat is bad at all. Anyways, I guess I was just responding to like the idea that people always talk about "if you're going to call a shove, you might as well do it yourself" It's just crazy because there are infinite spots where the value in your hand comes from letting somebody else bluff/shove.

/end rant

Ok. We agree "if you're going to call a shove, you might as well do it yourself" as a general statement is nonsense, but this is one of the situations where I think its far better than calling.