http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/doc...GREATEST08.html

1. Roman Sebrle, decathlete
2. LeBron James, NBA
3. Floyd Mayweather, boxer
4. LaDainian Tomlinson, NFL
5. Roger Federer, tennis
6. Sidney Crosby, NHL
7. Lu Xiang, 110m hurdler
8. Jeremy Wariner, 400m sprinter
9. Ronaldo de Assis Moreira, soccer/football (wherever you live )
10. Alex Rodriguez, MLB

If you are going to have a guy like A-Rod on there, Tiger Woods? WTF. He's probably the most dominating athlete in his sport currently. Tiger being excluded is a farce, even if it is golf.

lol, maybe 2 seasons ago. He's fat and out of form these days.

Yea, no Tiger Woods on that list tells me that this list is definitely not legit.

What? No pro bowlers?

Tiger Woods isn't in there because golfers aren't considered "athletes'.
MICHAEL ANDRETTI is considered one of the most dominant Indy car drivers ever.... also not on the list...not considered an athlete.

He's also retired. This is not an all time list, this is _supposed_ to be current.

OK substitute Jeff Gordon here. Same reason. He's arguably one of the most successful NASCAR drivers.

And Prince Fielder is arguably one of the best baseball players, but he does not belong on the list either; do you see why?

Being successful at your sport does not necessarily make you a great athlete.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make.... why Tiger Woods isn't on this list.

I think Tiger not being an athlete is not as clear cut as you think. Obviously, the WSJ experts agree with you though.

One of the most successful golfers ever... second among active players and is 13th on the all-time wins list.

Athlete? Not so much... lol

Again, that has nothing to do with Tiger.

Babe Ruth has the 3rd most HRs ever and was not athletic looking, but that doesn't disqualify any baseball player from the list.

Try again, with a little more effort this time please. I expect your best trolling, not this weak attempt...

Actually, Tiger Woods should be on this list. Don't worry, I fully understand that it's top ten 'athletes'... but look at their criteria:

1 - speed; vision and reflex - not too sure on speed, but he has exceptional vision and reflex.

2 - stamina and recovery - played the last 5 years after undergoing operations, and obv look at his latest US open win.. amazing.

3 - coordination and flexibility - goes without saying.

4 - power, strength and size - same as above for power (he may not be as strong as an NFL player, but I'd bet he's stronger than Federer, Liu Xiang and Ronaldinho).

5 - success and competitiveness - goes without saying.

6 - records held and victories based on the sport's popularity - so... it's clear to me he should most definately be on the list. Since when is hurdling a popular sport?

It's not about how you look.... the key word is athlete! Are you ready to present any evidence that would lead anyone to believe Babe Ruth was an athlete?

You keep making my point for me.


lol

You have to be a joke account.

If not, can you please re-write your post to make sense?

I agree with your assessment based off the criteria they give.

I once wrote, in reference to Hollywood FAD:

Something* about you makes me want to commit indiscriminate murder. Wait, I think I meant "discriminate murder," because I want to murder you, and only you, which would be the opposite of indiscriminate.


Wang



*- Every single thing you have ever said.


I... am not a fan.

Unreal how stupid you are. The point was made that Tiger wasn't on the list because although he's the greatest golfer ever... he isn't considered an athlete by these people.

Then you make a comment on how good Babe Ruth was but didnt look like an athlete... my point--He wasn't an athlete.
Geeezuz dude... are you stoned?

Yes, I'm always stoned.

You forgot the part where you posted a picture of Phil to make some sort of point about Tiger. Your points that Phil and Babe Ruth aren't athletes (I'd beg to differ with Ruth but trying to explain that to you seems like a painful endeavor at best) have nothing to do with Tiger.

I've dealt with much smarter trolls then you sir, please come with something better then silly personal attacks.

Heh I know, I've been of the same mind set for a while, I just haven't actually exchanged ideas with him until now. I have to admit I'm fascinated by the person behind the account.

Explains everything.

I'm so disappointed with your performance thus far Hollywood, I thought you had much more talent at trolling then this.

I'll bite though and offer the obvious rebuttal:

What's your excuse?

I agree about the golf/athlete argument. The only reason I brought it up is that baseball can easily be compared to golf. Both sports take a ton of skill and don't require a lot of cardio, comparing them to other major pro sports. I just found it odd that leaving a guy off a list that is so far ahead of his nearest competition is odd.

Yeah this is true. James' breakdown of the criteria they set forth makes it seem pretty obvious he should have been included, regardless of some people's preconceived notions about golfers.

No thanks.

You're either really stoned or really stupid... perhaps both. Either way... talking to you is futile.


Go troll elsewhere please.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

It's like finding out Santa Claus isn't real; HollywoodAFD isn't the troll I thought he was. I at least expected some sort of resistance before you tucked your tail and ran.

I look forward to making you look like the pathetic troll you are in upcoming threads sir (or feed your joke account)! GLGL at the tables!

Holy shitstain Batman!


This is like watching an Abbott and Costello skit... but with 2 Costellos and no Abbott.


I think those are both the same account trying to be entertaining.


Swing and a miss.





Just say No to drugs.

Fail.

PMJ you are correct in this...Hollywood seriously???

Tiger should be #1 though...you ask anyone that really knows him (MJ, Smoltz, etc) and they say that he is a phenomenal athlete overall....it really isn't just golf.

PMJ is one of the great sports posters that we have here at FCP and you saying all of this just shows enough about you imo...

Obvious fake account or you didn't read the thread closely.

It appears Hollyass was making a valid point, only to have PMS validate said point, and then the 2 would rant on about the same thing once again. I think they are both stoned.

Not having Tiger on this list makes is horribly unbelievable.


PMJ is correct.

Yes.. PMJ is correct...
"Being successful at your sport does not necessarily make you a great athlete." -- PMJ


I agree 100% with this statement by PMJ

I'd replace Nadal with Federer imo. On an "athlete" basis and the criteria mentioned he wins handsdown.

I don't know about any of the American athletes but I wouldn't add a golfer even as amazing as Tiger is. I really don't think a golfer can be compared as an athlete properly to anyone else on the list. Floyd Mayweather vs Tiger Woods for athletic ability?


And yes Hollywood is a ridiculous stain that should be avoided but hes so retarded its hard not to laugh about him openly and lol at his new "friend" who goes around defending his every post

Again, I'm always stoned. I'm still waiting to figure out what valid point was made in regards to Tiger not being an athlete.

So, which little boy are you hiding behind a joke account?

C'mon Scott, lets be friends. To be honest, I'm a little intimidated by your jousting/medieval melee skills and don't want to be looking over the shoulder the rest of my life expecting a guy in a Renaissance costume to jump out of the bushes and hit me with a mace.

He's either hollywood, or like LLY doing a kick ass hollywood impression.

I'd allow LLY to speculate that Hollywood and I were the same person (truly hurtful obv) because he is much smarter then me.

this is kind of a pointless exercise as the list is shaped almost entirely by the criteria. If it is just by who is the most athletic than this list sucks. Federer should be gone. Ditto Arod, Ronaldo and Crosby. They should be replaced by decathletes and two sport college stars. Only Lebron would stay because he is an athletic freak AND a great basketball player. If the list is not solely driven by athleticism then leaving off Tiger is petarded. The guy just won the US Open on one leg and is the biggest star in sports.

So yeah, the WSJ should stick to writing incorrect things about politics and finance and leave sports to others.

Yeah the criteria was pretty messed up, and it's like they wanted to get at least one NFL/NBA/MLB player on there. I can think of quite a few baseball players that I'd consider to be superior athletes to Arod (Jose Reyes being the first name that comes to mind, then of course, Benji Molina).

Is petarded a combo of PETA and retarded?

nah just from a Family Guy episode where they learn Peter is technically mentally handicapped.

although I like your explanation better.

It's hard to compare athletic ability in different sports. It's hard to compare Roger Federer to LBJ because each cannot do what the other does.

Who would win in a game of 1 on 1 basketball with Floyd Mayweather and Sid the kid? What if they had a foot race? What if they swam a mile? Impossible to tell because because those particular skill sets don't show up in the sports they are best at.

While Tiger is a phenominal athlete, his skill sets are limited in golf because he swings a golf club. There is no running, hitting people, or juke moves on the course. But I do believe Tiger would be a top athlete if he chose a different sport like baseball and would have excelled no matter what he chose.

Having said that, I do believe Phil belongs on this list. You must be absolutely the best athlete ever and hardest worker of all time to get rid of those sausage titties that he used to have.

I would be willing to bet a very large sum of money Tiger beats 6 of those "athletes" in a decathlon or a made up 10 sport gauge. Leaving him off the list is tragic.

If they don't put Tiger on there because golf is not a sport how the hell could they put Federer on there? Yeah, running back and forth in a 15 foot box is super athletic compared to walking close to 5 miles of hills each day. And I play plenty of both tennis and golf.

And for God's sake, a MLB player is an athlete? Give me a break.

Bottom line, based on the criteria provided it is obvious Tiger should be on the list. What happens when Mayweather gets embarrassed in his own sport by an MMA specialist when he fights Anderson Silva?

I... have a hard time believing Tiger could beat 6 of the names on that list in a decathlon. I'd like to see the six you believe he'd have a chance against.

Ronaldo ( who is a joke to be on this list, and just shows that whom ever made it knows nothing about the current state of soccer), Sydny Crosby, and Roman Sebrle (obv) are the only one's I think could beat

decathlon events:
* 100 metres
* long jump
* shot put
* high jump
* 400 metres
* 110 metre hurdles
* discus
* pole vault
* javelin
* 1500 metres

1. Roman Sebrle, decathlete-only on a really really good day obv
2. LeBron James, NBA---would be very competitive
3. Floyd Mayweather, boxer--EASILY BEAT
4. LaDainian Tomlinson, NFL--again, would be very competitive
5. Roger Federer, tennis--EASILY
6. Sidney Crosby, NHL---EASILY
7. Lu Xiang, 110m hurdler----EASILY win strength events
8. Jeremy Wariner, 400m sprinter---i actually think TW would be competitive here winning the strength events
9. Ronaldo de Assis Moreira, soccer/football (wherever you live smile.gif )----Ronaldo would win 400 and 1500 and that's it
10. Alex Rodriguez, MLB---EASILY


People under estimate TW's abilities simply because he plays golf. He benches over 300, can easily stand flat foot under the hoop and dunk a basketball, and has some of the strongest legs around. I wouldn't count him out in the runs even against James, Tomlinson, and Ronaldo. I do not know anyone on that list that hates to lose more than Tiger. His mental toughness from that would be such a huge factor in an event like this.

you guys are seriously underestimating the athleticism of Sidney Crosby. His lower body strength would probably be described as 'freakish'

I'm normally one of the people that will say Tiger is a better athlete than people give him credit for, but he's not even close to as good of an athlete as LT or LBJ.

I think people probably underestimate hockey players in general. The pads don't give them enough credit for how solid their body typically is.

i love tiger, but aint no chance in hell he beats Lebron in a decathalon.

no chance in hell.