I somehow got caught in the middle of a gay pride parade this past weekend. I wasn't there for that I was there for a meeting at a hotel near it and I found it incredibly interesting. Not the gay people though, the Christians.

Here is my question and I could be totally missing the point and that is fine because that is one of the reasons I am asking... about 75% of the people I saw holding signs or speaking on loud speakers about how homosexuality is a sin and they are all going to hell unless they change were obese. Not fat, obese. Isn't that technically a sin? Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins and most of these people were obviously very good at being gluttonous. So how is it that they feel the need to point out others people's alleged sins when they themselves are allegedly sinners? Do fat people in church get pointed out during certain sermons about sin? I am genuinely curious or is this one of those things where being fat is a sin that is allowed?

Again, as stated in the past, I do believe in God but I do not go to church and I have not studied the Bible so I am sure someone will come and show me some passages that explain all this but I don't get how people can comment and condemn other people's actions as being a sin when they themselves are sinners? I mean we got some seriously knowledgeable religious people in this forum (that is why I thought to come here) that play poker. Isn't gambling a sin? Or has the church come to the conclusion that poker is a game of skill and not chance thus it is not considered gambling? How about smoking? I had a girlfriend once who told me that I was going to hell because I was a smoker. She said that my body was God's vessel and I was destroying it for pleasure.

If anyone can shed some light on the fatty issue and the other stuff that would be great as I find it interesting.

Show me one person that follows every aspect of the bible and I'll show you a liar.
It's not about Christian... it's human nature for us to point out what someone else is doing wrong, all the while having faults of our own.

It's what we do as people.

To be a Christian is to understand that we all are sinners. Why some people feel the need to point out others sins is beyond me. In the eyes of God... any sin is just as bad as another. God doesn't think stealing a cracker is better than stealing a car... they are both sins. We can't help but sin. We sin every day.

So I guess I don't have an answer for you... just understand that every person, religious or not, Christian or atheist, will point out others flaws.

"Let those without sin cast the first stone."

Christians in this country are so ****ing bad at following the above quote it is laughable.

basically you just highlighted my biggest ongoing problem with Christianity.....they have all these fun and smart sayings like "let those without sin cast the first stone" and "judge not lest ye be judged".....and then they go out and pronounce judment on things and throw stones.

That's really funny.

You just did what you said you dislike about Christians.

My point was... everyone does it... not just Christians.

Even you.

yeah but I only judge people who judge people.

this is really confusing.

and I didnt really judge you per se. more just a commentary on something general.

So if each and every one of us has sinned then why bother? We are all going to hell right? So are Christians just sucking up in hopes to be let in? I know that comes off harsh and may offend but I am don't really feel like beating around the bush. Like braveheart on here. He seems to be very into this religion thing from all the topics I have read, but I bet he has sinned. If sinning ends your chances to be with God why spend so much time and energy on it?

No... according to the Bible..we are all sinners but Jesus died for our sins so that we can enter heaven by accepting Jesus as our savior. ... in a nut shell.


To elaborate a bit... it doesn't give us carte blanche to run willy nilly. But in my mind... getting to heaven isn't a case of having to be perfect either.

(cue the "So I can do whatever I want and say Im sorry at the end?")

Nobody truly knows of course... I just believe that one day we'll all have to answer to the "Man" for what we've done.

I agree with that as well. We all cannot be perfect and as long as I don't go around killing people and doing anything really major than I believe I will be okay.

I guess my point is that people who feels the need to get out of bed, eat 6 cheeseburgers, and then head out to a gay pride parade and condemn the sinners when they themselves are equally just as wrong in their Gods eyes? To me I think Christians (and other people as well) like to judge and condemn other people's actions but never their own actions which in turn makes them look foolish and hypocritical. Which again just puts a sour taste in my mouth that I can't seem to get rid of.

I just don't get the thought process on religious people of any divinity but since I around more Christians than anything else, I really don't get them.

Reminds me of last year while at NASCAR... a buddy walked up to me and another friend while we were having a smoke. He began to tell me how bad that was for me and he couldn't see how anyone could do that to their body.... then he sipped his beer. My reply... "We'll at least my liver will be ok when I have lung cancer." His reply.... "touche'"


And by the way... you can't offend me just by not believing the same things I do. I enjoy all talks.

LOL i'm sure.

See here is a perfect example of a hypocrite. This cocksucker goes around trolling topics and I called him out on it one day and he got all whiny saying I was a troll, then I leave him be and here he is trying to imply that I am a homosexual. A perfect example of a hypocrite.

You got me. I am a lesbian.

Take it from me... either have a sense of humor when someone does that... or ignore them. There are a few on here that just do crap to make you respond the way you just did.

I'm not saying that's what he did... I actually thought about doing the same thing to your post because it's kind of funny if you think about it.

I win.

















Again.







You make it so f ucking easy piddle dick.

There was a gay pride parade, Orgins (board game convention, which was funny because there were actual protesters for that as well lol) and some other event that I couldn't figure out. Who would have thought that downtown Columbus would have been so busy and exciting. I was just at a hotel for a mandatory computer class for work. Still though, I am a lesbian.

Well... congrats on your lesbianism. That's a whole other story.... why do gays (not all) feel the need to show their sexual preference with bumper stickers. Hetero's don't.


*ducks*

I don't know. Good question. I am a guy though, so I was kidding, sorta, about being a lesbian.

That always bothered me. You can have a all black school but if there is an all white school then it is racist. Oh well, society is and always will be messed up and backwards. Just got keep on truckin'

Wait....you smoke???



SINNER UNCLEAN!

If you are going to have to include everyone in your relationship with God, then why not include them in your relationship with your girlfriend?
Anything anyone ever does should be relevant to how you interact with your girlfriend right? So if some girl cheats on her boyfriend, you should assume your girlfriend cheated on you.

There are always bad examples of people behaving badly in every group, be it Chrisitan, veterans, or those rotten Shriners with their fezzes and crippled old men horning in on my balloon twisting business.

But what you witnessed is pretty much a western Chrisitan phenomona, in the poorer countries, Chrisitans are very skinny...and spend less time in political causes because of free time and talk radio.


This group was probably just a bunch of people that got offended when during Easter the homosexuals decided to picket the Catholic church and throw condoms at the nuns, oh wait, that was San Francisco.

We, and by 'we' I mean 'I', do a lot at NASCAR that I don't do other places. Kind of like Vegas.
But to answer your question.. Macanudo torpedo is my fave... also menthol cigarettes.

Only at NASCAR though... not really a smoker.

I don't get the girlfriend thing? She was very religious at the time and is now even a minister, or so it says on her myspace page. She would lecture me on all the sins that I did. If it wasn't for her nice ass I would have never put up with it. So I don't get what you are saying there...feel free to explain if it was important.

So, clearly you have a relationship with God as you post about it freely on this board. Can you explain to me in your opinion about sinning and how it all works. Some people say sinners go to hell. Some say they don't. Some can what's the word, absolve their sins by saying some hail marys and giving some coin to the church. Is sinning really a big part of it or is it some system set up to gain more control over people. Again, not trying to offend, I just don't get it. I have been to churches and heard the bad things that happen to sinners but as Hollywood pointed out, everyone sins, so does that mean no one gets to heaven?? If so then what is the point of giving your life to God? I have to think that there are indeed levels of sin. Killing someone, stealing, doin your friends wife, etc are up there in the big no no list God has, but homosexuality and taking the Lords name in vein might be just an inch under those rules, and then gambling, smoking, being fat, being lazy and greedy is way at the bottom and often is ignored when it's time to own up. Is that right or are they all equal? And if they are, then who can get in?

Let's get back on subject, shall we? Fat people are treated very well in church. Haven't you ever wondered why pews have no armrests?

You should be a stand up comedian.

I broke out my audio recorder and noted that last gem for my upcoming triumphant return to the stage.

time? place? If it's in Minneapolis, I'm there.

he is.

You should reread like every thread in this forum. This question has been EXTENSIVELY covered. Being gay is not a sin. Having sex with people of the same gender is. Sins are not all equal in consequences, but they are all equal in the fact that they keep us from attaining perfection. The only way to enter heaven is with perfection. The only way to attain perfection is by having the blood of Jesus cover our / your sins. Jesus' blood will cover your sins if you 1) believe, 2) repent. (some Christians like Lois would add 3) get baptized 4) speak in tongues 5) never sin again or you go to hell if you don't say sorry 6) etc etc)

My church doesn't allow overweight people be in leadership, specifically Elders, since by definition they don't have control over themselves. Why then should he oversee the local church body. This isn't a written or spoken rule, but I know the pastor well, and I know that's his position. I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but just wanted to point it out since it was your question. Personally I would probably tend to agree that it's, in general, a sin. But there are always plenty of reasons that people can become overweight and it's possible that when speaking of church leadership that each person should be looked at case by case.

I don't think gay means what you think it does.

All this talk about gays is paining my ass.






A-Ha! See what I did there?

I always wondered what denomination you were, now I know it's American Lutheran-No Fat Chicks Synod

the point was if you want to have a relationship with God, it should be between you and Him, not you and everyone else who claims to be God's buddy. Don't use other people's shortcomings to dictate whether you choose to follow God or not.




God is Holy, meaning He is perfect. He doesn't allow sin in His presence. Why? Because He's God. He gets to make the rules.

So man sins, thereby seperating thenselves from God. Any sin will do it. The word sin means roughly: Missing the mark.

So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.

Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?

If only from the birthday till the day you ask, then the best thing to do is not tell anyone until moments before they die. Which the Bible clearly doesn't tell us to do. So therefore we must be covered for all our past, present and future sins.

But having accepted so great a gift, can you really sin with impunity? I personally do not think a person that has accepted Christ can do this. Pleasing God becomes a motivating force in your life. And when you see that God's laws aren't fun-killers, but in fact smart living, then you can be more comfortable in living a life of holiness, no matter how bad you are at it.

This world is corrupted, sin abounds and the flesh is weak. But all sin is equal to God, it is all bad and cause for problems.

We place values on sin because we look at things from a finite perspective.

ESL?



Go back to General. Only people with brains can post in OT.

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non-denominational. Although you could make the case the we are very closely associated with E-Free or Baptist, since we believe in water immersion "post-acceptance of the gift of salvation".

Lois will fight you to the death over the fallacies in this post. I, on the other hand, heartily agree with everything.


Romans 6 Lois, Romans 6. Was it written to people that had lost their salvation? (hint: nope)

Be nice to him, he's on your team. How are you going to win the championship, if you have this kind of fighting in the club house.

What did you just say?
You're not the boss of me, fatman!

There are very few (read: 1, 2 if MattXTC ever comes back) people that are on my team here. I'm certainly not going to claim members that do nothing but hurt my position. They should stay in the minors until they read their Bibles more. (tryingnottoglanceathollywoodafdface)

hahaha

alright, this one was pretty good.

Come on out to Daytona this weekend... we'll fire up some Mac's and Gloria's. I'll be there from Thursday through Monday.

and yet, shockingly, it happens all the time. crazy world.

Not a Macanudo fan, but LaGlorias...yummy.

But Nascar is only exciting to me if there is a dropped lug nut. I love watching the body language of people that still think races are won or lost in the pit.

I know...makes me wonder many times how come God doesn't just reboot. Way too much forgiveness and compassion for me to understand.


I once heard a pastor say though that a person post Christ will be changed, so even the sins he does commit after conversion will be lessened.


Ultimately it's not my place to judge them, only myself, which I do pretty harshly. The scale this morning made me think of this thread....you jerks!

I am having serious back problems (ruptured L4-L5 disc for those who have some medical knowledge) and I have not worked out in a long time. I am putting on pounds and it sucks. So you are not alone.

I am saddened that I will never be an elder at Brvheart's church. Maybe I can be an elder at Church's chicken.

Flood FTL.

Forgivenss & compassion - you're funny

At least you got an excuse, I've just been lazy, so add slothful to gluttonous. Luckily being cool isn't a sin or I'd hit the trifecta. although gambling is..so wait..nevermind.

Silly boy, rainbows aren't just for homos...

I will be honest and say this really didn't help me understand and actually confused me more. Guess I am stupid. Oh well.

So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.

Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?

So Jesus and the cross and dying and all that rigamaroll was to pay for all of my sins. How do I accept it? Just believe it? So does anyone know the answer to whether it was one sin or ten or sins made during a certain week or day covered? Or is that a big mystery in the church?

To me it all seems to convenient. Maybe I am missing something but as long as I accept God then I can do whatever I want, maybe. Sure I may have to suffer hatred and damnation from society but as long as I accept God and repent then I am good to go in the afterlife. So as long as I don't care what society thinks of me (and there are people who don't) I could be fat, lazy, mean, adulterous, a killer, a thief, and I should be cool after I am dead. I gotta be missing something here.

Yea, I am not the best at writing these things. Plus my wife was on me to get back to work.

You can do what I did, ask God to show you what He meant. God is pretty good at explaining things.

Heh, I was at Orgins this weekend. I saw the gay parade before it started. There were a ton of protesters but my favorite one was a person holding a sign that said "Star Wars is a Cultism!" Yeah, like Christianity or any religion for that matter isn't some form of a cult. And really, liking Star Wars is a sin? I will just believe the people there were just a small hand full of wacky nutjobs and aren't real Christians.

Ok, well I just sat here in my office, closed my eyes and asked God to explain it to me and I got nothing. I think there has to be more to it then just asking. I suspect I need to go to church and that, I am sorry to say and mean no offense, is not happening. I tried that and church made me angry and I don't think that is the intention God had. But thanks anyway.




I missed that one. That's funny. I am sure you are right though about them being crazy people rather than devote Christians but still it makes me think. So I guess they succeeding in doing that.

Like I said... case by case. For instance, your lack of belief in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin would probably be a slighty larger issue than your weight. (no pun intended)





I would disagree with the implication that all gambling is illegal. Anything done without regard to family or fiscal responsibility is wrong, yes, but I believe that it's incorrect to label gambling a sin, unless you can back that up Biblically, which I believe that you won't be able to. If I have a budget and in my budget there is $200 cash in my 'entertainment' envelope, then I can spend that money entertaining myself. If I choose to do that at a casino this is perfectly acceptable.





I feel like I had something typed here. But it's gone. Maybe I put it in a different thread by accident.

I just wanted to make a Church's chicken joke. You have no feel for comedy!