PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO (t93548)
Button (t57178)
Hero (t91461)
BB (t27926)
UTG (t75451)
MP1 (t144629)
MP2 (t108912)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, J.
5 folds, Hero raises to t12000, [color=#CC3333]

BB is short...How would you guys play this, give him a walk?

A raise into the BB isn't bad in this spot. J high could be the best hand blind vs. blind and could win you an easy pot. Although, if BB shoves you really have to call since your bet is barely under half his stack and your priced in and then gambling 27k of your 91k with a very marginal hand.

Since he's short, I would limp in your situation and hope to see a flop. If BB raised, I'd just dump it.

I play these spots basically just game theory optimal from the chart in the Mathematics of Poker and with no antes J7o is a shove with effective stacks of 8.5bb or less, so in this case I would fold with no antes and push with antes knowing nothing about how the villian plays or the tourney structure.

I think you should either raise less(2.4.-2.8x maybe) so you could get away if he repops all in or just shove.
By raising to 12k you're basically committing yourself if he shoves, so you might as well do it yourself imo...but idk, If you've been raising his bb in a situation like this before I might just muck it, other than that I think it's fine to attack here.

If he's an aggressive player, I'd just fold.

If he's the normal type player, I usually limp in here. You can probably take it away with a min-bet, maybe on the flop, but usually on the turn.
ie, folds to SB, SB limps with the big stack, BB checks, flop comes xxx, check-check, turn comes x, big stack/SB min-bets, BB folds.
It's a play that works enough to def make it profitable imo, and it makes sure you're not just pushing everytime it folds round to you in the SB

He was pretty tight player, i raised it big pre to let him know that i was committed and im not going anywhere if he shoved. Basically gamboled on him having a hand or not.

tough spot JC

for me it really depends on how im playing that day and my image towards the table. if id have been really aggressive up until now, i might think about limping and trying to outplay him postflop, lead like 1.5bb's regardless of the flop. I dont like shoving when ive been aggressive because it really widens our oponnents calling ranges to alot of king high hands and alot of hands that will call in spite of your aggression, just to gamble.

if youve been tight and getting respect, go ahead and shove it in, he has about 6bb's after posting the bb and can definately afford to find a better spot for him than calling off his stack in a bvb battle.

crappy he had to wake up with a real monster

against a tight player this is an easy raise, however, i agree with kevin that you should make it something like 7500 to get away if he shoves. 12000 and 7500 has exactly the same effect here, unless you've open-raised to 12000 (which is pretty bad unless you raised 12000 with premium hands all the time that got showen and now you want to use that as a meta-game move) all the time and they could pick that as a read of weakness (if you raise to 7500).

IDK what the antes were but if you make it 7.5k or 8k and he shoves there will be 36k + (max. about) 3k = 39k in the pot and you'd have to call 20k which is close to 2:1 and a fold, because you're standing 27.5% against his range if he shoves 88+,ATo+,ATs+. Even worse (about 25%) if he only shoves the PPs and AQo+,AQs+.


12k is just too much and doesn't do much else than 7.5k unless it would be a read on u.

Yeah, if the standard raise is 12k, then you can't raise to 7.5k.

If he was pretty tight, I like my play of flat calling