rdtedm
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 6:58 AM
Don't have the HH, cause I'm at work. But, here goes.
Hero is the tightest at the table.
6-max $1/$2 PLO
Hero ($190)
Villain covers
Hero is dealt Ah Jh As 10c UTG.
Hero raises to $7
UTG+1 calls $7
UTG+2 calls $7
Button raises to $28
Hero raises to $91
2 folds,
Button timebanks and calls $91
2-way flop
7d 4c 4s
Hero shoves
Ok? Too fast?
LJB723
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 7:26 AM
That's a pretty good flop. Pot is ~$199, you have ~$99 left. I can't see any other way to play this.
rdtedm
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 7:37 AM
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 9:26 AM)

That's a pretty good flop. Pot is ~$199, you have ~$99 left. I can't see any other way to play this.
I'm more worried about the OOP 3bet by me. Is that an ok 3bet?
LJB723
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 7:44 AM
I'm no PLO player by any means. Just dabbling in the $.15/.25 games. But 3-bet seems uber-standard with such a good holding. Plus you price out the limpers which is what you want with AAxx hands (I think).
CBass1724
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 7:48 AM
Seems pretty standard but you cannot account for horrible play by your opponents.
Did he have 3456 double soooted?
rdtedm
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 7:56 AM
QUOTE (CBass1724 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 9:48 AM)

Seems pretty standard but you cannot account for horrible play by your opponents.
Did he have 3456 double soooted?
No, he folded after to see the floop. I'm guessing KK/broadway cards type hand.
LJB723
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 8:04 AM
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 4:56 PM)

No, he folded after to see the floop. I'm guessing KK/broadway cards type hand.
Figured. But there's no way you can really get much value post-flop on that board unless he has a hand that beats you. Checking and letting him bluff is possible but he probably knows you aren't folding so he'd check behind and unless he hits a card that fills him up on the turn he won't be putting another cent in.
Anyway, that was a pretty nice pot you won - you greedy git!
rdtedm
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 8:06 AM
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 10:04 AM)

Figured. But there's no way you can really get much value post-flop on that board unless he has a hand that beats you. Checking and letting him bluff is possible but he probably knows you aren't folding so he'd check behind and unless he hits a card that fills him up on the turn he won't be putting another cent in.
Anyway, that was a pretty nice pot you won - you greedy git!

Heh, the highest NLHE i've played consistently was 1/2. The average pot was like $30-$40 at most tables I picked. At the two PLO tables I was at, it was $70-$80.
bdc30
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 8:55 AM
All of this seems standard. AAJTss is a monnnnnnster plo hand. Get money in at every opportunity.
rdtedm
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 10:56 AM
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 10:55 AM)

All of this seems standard. AAJTss is a monnnnnnster plo hand. Get money in at every opportunity.
Not double suited, but yeah.
Side question, if my hand is something like Ac 4d As 9d is this still a 3bet? Is it a 3bet only when my non ace cards still have good value? Or is AAxx always a 3bet hand? Normally I've been limping QQxx and lower, and raising good drawing hands and KKxx and AAxx. If I am raised with AAxx or KKxx type hands I'll usually just flat, and 3bet like I said, when xx = good cards. Is this good?
bdc30
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 11:02 AM
It depends on a few other intangibles (stack sizes, position, player who raised, dead money in the pot, etc) but you're in the right frame of mind. It's not an auto 3bet.
I'd be a little concerned about where you say you're limping QQxx and lower though. Those are not limping hands - and your xx needs to connect in some way preferably with the QQ.
rdtedm
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 11:22 AM
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 1:02 PM)

It depends on a few other intangibles (stack sizes, position, player who raised, dead money in the pot, etc) but you're in the right frame of mind. It's not an auto 3bet.
I'd be a little concerned about where you say you're limping QQxx and lower though. Those are not limping hands - and your xx needs to connect in some way preferably with the QQ.
I'm not saying I'm limping every hand that is lower than QQ+. I'm limping hands that are playable, but technically worse than QQxx before the flop. If I have QQ37, obv I just fold.
Frez
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Just to nitpick, AAJTss is single suited. AAJTds is double suited.
NH sir.
bdc30
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 11:47 AM
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 3:22 PM)

I'm not saying I'm limping every hand that is lower than QQ+. I'm limping hands that are playable, but technically worse than QQxx before the flop. If I have QQ37, obv I just fold.
I was moreso making the point that you don't often want to be playing QQ and less for set value. Also, as I'm sure Simo will tell you when he shows up, don't make a habit of limping in this game.
BudBundy
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 12:41 PM
I like it.
rdtedm
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 12:42 PM
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 1:47 PM)

I was moreso making the point that you don't often want to be playing QQ and less for set value. Also, as I'm sure Simo will tell you when he shows up, don't make a habit of limping in this game.
I was under the impression limping was ok, especially in EP. From what I understand, there's no value in raising AA/KK/QQxx type hands from EP because you'll basically get raped every time you dont flop a set.
bdc30
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 1:11 PM
PAGING SIMO8BALL - SIMO8BALL TO THE OMAHA FORUM
(or until he gets here, check for his blog. If I recall he wrote a very extensive entry about raising preflop in pot limit omaha)
simo_8ball
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 3:07 PM
Ya, check my blog entry from February.
http://simo8ball.blogspot.com/2008/02/rais...imit-omaha.htmlMost people play waaaay too passive preflop.
I rarely limp in PLO. Preflop I am (ok, was) about 30/20. 3-bet light in position, and very rarely open limp.
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