CobaltBlue
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:27 AM
The Venetian 5/10 NLHE (9-handed)
Hero $1200
CO $1300
Hero is Button w/

. Hero is likely viewed as TAG and has been complimented by CO as probably being decent. CO has been at the table for a while and switched seats a bit ago. Since then, CO has run into a bunch of monsters (trips, straight flush, and quads) in a short span of time and might be getting frustrated. He seems somewhat LAG.
Pre-flop:
5 folds,
CO raises to $40,
Hero calls,
2 foldsFlop ($95):

(2 players)
CO bets $60,
Hero callsTurn ($215):

(2 players)
CO bets $130,
Hero raises to $330,
CO goes all-in,
Hero ?($770 to call)
simo_8ball
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:44 AM
I'm not folding.
He could have any manner of worse two pairs here, he could have AA, he could be semibluffing with JT, he could have something like AcTc.
Getting well over 2/1 you cannot fold. Especially so if he's frustrated.
looshle
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 5:18 AM
I don't play much NL, but I don't think I'm raising the turn if I plan on folding. I'd rather just call/call. Am I terrible?
tskillz187
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 8:26 AM
Agree with both posts.
NoBBiR
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 2:16 PM
Unfortunately, Simo is right. You can't fold, but I don't think you're ahead very often. I guess you just have to hope he's an idiot just doing this with Aces or a big draw.
krup24
Sunday, June 15th, 2008, 6:29 AM
i call the turn as well.
Acid_Knight
Sunday, June 15th, 2008, 10:33 AM
I like the turn raise and I snap get it in. There are too many worse hands for him to show up with that can legitimately shove here, especially if he might be frustrated. If you're not getting it in here when he shoves, looshle is right, you really should not be raising the turn.
CobaltBlue
Monday, June 16th, 2008, 12:37 AM
For what it's worth, I'm CO in this hand.
simo_8ball
Monday, June 16th, 2008, 12:52 AM
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Monday, June 16th, 2008, 9:37 AM)

For what it's worth, I'm CO in this hand.
I had my suspicions.
I still call. You probably play most 2 pair hands like this.
It's probably close actually, but I think raise/folding is a horrible line here.
mtdesmoines
Monday, June 16th, 2008, 5:50 AM
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:27 AM)

Flop ($95):

(2 players)
CO bets $60,
Hero callsTurn ($215):

(2 players)
CO bets $130,
Hero raises to $330,
CO goes all-in,
Hero ?($770 to call)
What's the deal with the $60 flop bet?
Very Cobalt-esque ... it's just begging to be raised.
Figure that out and the hero has his answer.
For my part, I think the CO prob flopped a combo draw, bet light to get the action started, turned his straight and bet light again, got raised and figured hero couldn't fold. Which means hero should.
Acid_Knight
Monday, June 16th, 2008, 6:15 AM
I think that if the hero in the hand is raising KQ on the turn, they have to stack off. It's really as simple as that given stack sizes and board texture. Yeah, sometimes you have AJ or J9 here, but they run into hands that they are dominating also.
CobaltBlue
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 3:28 AM
After I shipped it in from the CO, Hero didn't snap call and implored if I had AJ...which made me obviously feel a lot better about my holding of J9 but still really wary of a set. He danced around for about three minutes before finally calling and I was quite relieved to see his hand. Somehow he missed his outs on the river. At least a couple of people thought that he needed to fold it, and part of me felt so too, but I think the combo of factors forced him to call.
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