CobaltBlue
Friday, June 13th, 2008, 11:42 PM
The Venetian 5/10 NLHE (9-handed)
Cobalt $1100
SB $2000
Cobalt is MP2 w/

. Just sat at the table, so no reads. Guy is getting a massage, has a lot of chips, and from his appearance seems to think he's good. Looks like he could be from Southern Europe.
Pre-flop:
3 folds,
Cobalt raises to $40,
3 folds,
SB calls,
1 foldFlop ($90):

(2 players)
SB checks,
Cobalt bets $60,
SB callsTurn ($210):

(2 players)
SB checks, Cobalt checks
River ($210):

(2 players)
SB bets $160,
Cobalt ?
Metternich
Friday, June 13th, 2008, 11:46 PM
I think we should just call. I don't think we're going to be getting any value from a worse king. Right now I think a big part of his range is a bluff, another part is 78 for the str8, and a tiny part is a weaker king.
BertTheKid
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 12:57 AM
i really think this might be a bluff, or some straight
think about it: you raised preflop, and the made the obvious continuation bet( it's not bad off course)
then you check the turn, which definitly indicates weakness
so on the river, he obviously thinks he can bluff you, so pay him off
Sheiky
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:05 AM
You seem to be beating precisely nothing, but I don't think I would fold.
simo_8ball
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:19 AM
You bet too much on the flop.

I don't think there's much between folding or calling the river. He could have 45, he could be making a strange bet with A9. He may have slowplayed JJ. If as you say he seems to think he's good he could be making a weird move.
CobaltBlue
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:31 AM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 6:19 AM)

You bet too much on the flop.

That's a jab, right? I do usually bet like $50-55 there, but I don't think increments of $5 were allowed. =)
Solar
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 5:53 AM
snap goes the weasel?
hard to say its, a weird bet. surely he must put you on overs for the raise/cbet/check, in which case it would be kinda crazy to bluff at the king. still seems like a call though
SlapStick
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 8:48 AM
pretty similar to someone with a set letting the raiser pf keep the lead, check on the turn so hes hoping the king got there for you. But he could easily be trying to take it away seeing you check.
I'm pretty suspicious but I probably make the call as we don't have any reads.
No_Neck
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 9:08 AM
QUOTE (Solar @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 9:53 AM)

snap goes the weasel?
what does this mean?
SlapStick
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 9:09 AM
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 12:08 PM)

what does this mean?
snap call?
No_Neck
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 9:10 AM
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:42 AM)

Looks like he could be from Southern Europe.
Then instacall imo, I think against an unknown in a 5/10 game I would assume he is going to bet with all his air and the straight.... and it is hard to make straights.
AimHigher
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 1:00 PM
If I was the villain after you checked behind the turn I'd think you had two unpaired overs. It'd be pretty brave for him to bluff into this card when it connects with a decent part of the range you are representing. What worse hands do you think might bet for value after we check the turn and the king hits?
Eh, how bad does it make me look if I say nitty fold?
trystero
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 1:22 PM
I've been making these types of calls a ton lately, and it always seems like I'm beaten. Here, though, I pay it off anyway. Maybe I'm just on a bad run - and maybe I should stop playing dominated hands, even in position....
....nah.
Naismith
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 1:24 PM
I think the correct play here is raise for value, fold to a shove. I'd say make it 380 and let it go if he jams on you.
That would be a hell of a bluff-shove by him.
simo_8ball
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 1:31 PM
QUOTE (Naismith @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 10:24 PM)

I think the correct play here is raise for value, fold to a shove. I'd say make it 380 and let it go if he jams on you.
That would be a hell of a bluff-shove by him.
I cannot see him calling a raise with worse, and I think 2 pair+ is a reasonable part of his range.
Naismith
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 1:46 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 5:31 PM)

I cannot see him calling a raise with worse, and I think 2 pair+ is a reasonable part of his range.
Eh, I guess with the T on the turn, I can get behind just calling.
I think if the turn was more of a blank, raise/fold the river is the way to go. Obviously, if you think the villain never calls with worse, raising is pointless.
simo_8ball
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 1:52 PM
QUOTE (Naismith @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 10:46 PM)

Eh, I guess with the T on the turn, I can get behind just calling.
I think if the turn was more of a blank, raise/fold the river is the way to go. Obviously, if you think the villain never calls with worse, raising is pointless.
He can't really have a single ten or king here, and if he did bet the river with a hand like A9, it's unlikely he is calling a raise it.
I can't see JJ or QQ being in his range either.
Naismith
Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 3:24 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 5:52 PM)

He can't really have a single ten or king here, and if he did bet the river with a hand like A9, it's unlikely he is calling a raise it.
I can't see JJ or QQ being in his range either.
I agree. I do think A9 will look you up a percentage of the time if the turn was, say, a 2.
CobaltBlue
Monday, June 16th, 2008, 12:36 AM
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 6:05 AM)

You seem to be beating precisely nothing, but I don't think I would fold.
Seems to be the consensus.
I really couldn't figure out much that I beat that calls the turn and makes this bet. It'd be quite odd for him to have air here...and so many combos of straights and two pair.
That said, I did think for a bit before making the "standard" call, but the more I think about it, I'm not sure I like it. Anyway, the guy flipped over 87o...which really surprised me as it seemed a pretty poor play on his part pre-flop.
mtdesmoines
Monday, June 16th, 2008, 5:51 AM
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Friday, June 13th, 2008, 11:42 PM)

River ($210):

(2 players)
SB bets $160,
Cobalt ? snap call
no raise
mtdesmoines
Monday, June 16th, 2008, 5:54 AM
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Monday, June 16th, 2008, 12:36 AM)

Seems to be the consensus.
I really couldn't figure out much that I beat that calls the turn and makes this bet. It'd be quite odd for him to have air here...and so many combos of straights and two pair.
That said, I did think for a bit before making the "standard" call, but the more I think about it, I'm not sure I like it. Anyway, the guy flipped over 87o...which really surprised me as it seemed a pretty poor play on his part pre-flop.
Ah. The turn check was the tip off.
Good value bet by him.
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