PokerStars Game #17772546223: 7 Card Stud Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/05/29 - 11:31:11 (ET)
Table 'Nysa III' 8-max
Seat 1: marchione ($51 in chips)
Seat 2: sz168 ($3822.25 in chips)
Seat 3: k74113989 ($255 in chips)
Seat 4: Pghfan987 ($357.50 in chips)
Seat 5: to tall ($194 in chips)
Seat 6: pokervvv ($90.75 in chips)
Seat 7: gllevin ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Daytime ($105.25 in chips)
marchione: posts the ante $0.50
sz168: posts the ante $0.50
k74113989: posts the ante $0.50
Pghfan987: posts the ante $0.50
to tall: posts the ante $0.50
pokervvv: posts the ante $0.50
gllevin: posts the ante $0.50
Daytime: posts the ante $0.50
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [Qc Ts Td]
Dealt to sz168 [4s]
Dealt to k74113989 [2s]
Dealt to Pghfan987 [3h]
Dealt to to tall [Th]
Dealt to pokervvv [3c]
Dealt to gllevin [9h]
Dealt to Daytime [6h]
k74113989: brings in for $2
Pghfan987: calls $2
to tall: calls $2
pokervvv: folds
gllevin: calls $2
Daytime: folds
marchione: raises $3 to $5
sz168: calls $5
k74113989: calls $3
Pghfan987: calls $3
to tall: calls $3
gllevin: calls $3
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [Qc Ts Td] [5c]
Dealt to sz168 [4s] [6d]
Dealt to k74113989 [2s] [Jc]
Dealt to Pghfan987 [3h] [5s]
Dealt to to tall [Th] [6s]
Dealt to gllevin [9h] [8d]
k74113989: checks
Pghfan987: checks
to tall: checks
gllevin: checks
marchione: bets $5
sz168: calls $5
k74113989: folds
Pghfan987: calls $5
to tall: calls $5
gllevin: calls $5
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [Qc Ts Td 5c] [6c]
Dealt to sz168 [4s 6d] [As]
Dealt to Pghfan987 [3h 5s] [Qd]
Dealt to to tall [Th 6s] [8c]
Dealt to gllevin [9h 8d] [2h]
sz168: checks
Pghfan987: checks
to tall: checks
gllevin: checks
marchione: bets $10
sz168: calls $10
Pghfan987: calls $10
to tall: calls $10
gllevin: calls $10
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [Qc Ts Td 5c 6c] [Qh]
Dealt to sz168 [4s 6d As] [7c]
Dealt to Pghfan987 [3h 5s Qd] [9s]
Dealt to to tall [Th 6s 8c] [3d]
Dealt to gllevin [9h 8d 2h] [7h]
sz168: checks
Pghfan987: checks
to tall: checks
gllevin: checks
marchione: bets $10
sz168: calls $10
Pghfan987: calls $10
to tall: folds
gllevin: calls $10
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to marchione [Qc Ts Td 5c 6c Qh] [Ks]
sz168: checks
Pghfan987: checks
gllevin: checks
marchione: bets $10
sz168: calls $10
Pghfan987: calls $10
gllevin: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
marchione: shows [Qc Ts Td 5c 6c Qh Ks] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
sz168: mucks hand
Pghfan987: mucks hand
marchione collected $176 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $179 | Rake $3
Seat 1: marchione showed [Qc Ts Td 5c 6c Qh Ks] and won ($176) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 2: sz168 mucked [7s 4c 4s 6d As 7c 2d]
Seat 3: k74113989 folded on the 4th Street
Seat 4: Pghfan987 mucked [5h 4h 3h 5s Qd 9s 3s]
Seat 5: to tall folded on the 6th Street
Seat 6: pokervvv folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: gllevin folded on the River
Seat 8: Daytime folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #17773164588: 7 Card Stud Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/05/29 - 12:12:23 (ET)
Table 'Nysa III' 8-max
Seat 1: marchione ($65.50 in chips)
Seat 2: sz168 ($249.50 in chips)
Seat 3: k74113989 ($297 in chips)
Seat 4: fashion88 ($179 in chips)
Seat 5: to tall ($240 in chips)
Seat 6: pokervvv ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 7: bettenyearmj ($79 in chips)
Seat 8: Daytime ($78.75 in chips)
marchione: posts the ante $0.50
sz168: posts the ante $0.50
k74113989: posts the ante $0.50
fashion88: posts the ante $0.50
to tall: posts the ante $0.50
pokervvv: posts the ante $0.50
bettenyearmj: posts the ante $0.50
Daytime: posts the ante $0.50
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [7c Ad Qd]
Dealt to sz168 [Qs]
Dealt to k74113989 [6h]
Dealt to fashion88 [9h]
Dealt to to tall [3s]
Dealt to pokervvv [Js]
Dealt to bettenyearmj [Qc]
Dealt to Daytime [Tc]
to tall: brings in for $2
pokervvv: folds
bettenyearmj: folds
Daytime: calls $2
marchione: raises $3 to $5
sz168: folds
k74113989: folds
fashion88: folds
to tall: calls $3
Daytime: calls $3
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [7c Ad Qd] [As]
Dealt to to tall [3s] [9c]
Dealt to Daytime [Tc] [3h]
marchione: bets $5
to tall: calls $5
Daytime: calls $5
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [7c Ad Qd As] [Kd]
Dealt to to tall [3s 9c] [8c]
Dealt to Daytime [Tc 3h] [4h]
marchione: bets $10
to tall: calls $10
Daytime: calls $10
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [7c Ad Qd As Kd] [6c]
Dealt to to tall [3s 9c 8c] [Th]
Dealt to Daytime [Tc 3h 4h] [9s]
marchione: bets $10
to tall: calls $10
Daytime: calls $10
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to marchione [7c Ad Qd As Kd 6c] [7s]
marchione: bets $10
to tall: calls $10
Daytime: raises $10 to $20
marchione: calls $10
to tall: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Daytime: shows [Qh Jc Tc 3h 4h 9s 8d] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
marchione: mucks hand
Daytime collected $141 from pot
marchione said, "the fish hit\\"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $144 | Rake $3
Seat 1: marchione mucked [7c Ad Qd As Kd 6c 7s]
Seat 2: sz168 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: k74113989 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: fashion88 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: to tall folded on the River
Seat 6: pokervvv folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: bettenyearmj folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Daytime showed [Qh Jc Tc 3h 4h 9s 8d] and won ($141) with a straight, Eight to Queen

On that second hand, thank him for making two horrendous calls on 4th and 5th. Don't berate him for hitting a 6 outer on the river. And I'd much rather you see you check/call the river on the 2nd hand, as well.. Aces are essentially bluff catchers here, not something you donkbet multiway from first to act. Is the game really that fishy that you can bet one pair on the end there and come out ahead over time?

On the first hand, I can't blame you for betting Queens Up for value. You get called so light there it's criminal not to.

what i am doing is starting out with a short stack and banking 200-300 and coming back ~
up over 1200 in 7 hours


okerStars Game #17784007581: 7 Card Stud Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/05/29 - 21:07:21 (ET)
Table 'Euforbo' 8-max
Seat 1: Moodaeri ($284 in chips)
Seat 2: marchione ($134.50 in chips)
Seat 4: phonias209 ($551.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Mostafa2008 ($142.50 in chips)
Seat 8: sascos ($103.50 in chips)
Moodaeri: posts the ante $0.50
marchione: posts the ante $0.50
phonias209: posts the ante $0.50
Mostafa2008: posts the ante $0.50
sascos: posts the ante $0.50
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Moodaeri [3h]
Dealt to marchione [8s 6c 7d]
Dealt to phonias209 [9c]
Dealt to Mostafa2008 [Ac]
Dealt to sascos [2d]
sascos: brings in for $2
yimei520 joins the table at seat #7
DrDunn7 has returned
yimei520 is sitting out
Moodaeri: calls $2
marchione: calls $2
phonias209: calls $2
Mostafa2008: raises $3 to $5
sascos: folds
Moodaeri: calls $3
marchione: calls $3
sascos is sitting out
phonias209: calls $3
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Moodaeri [3h] [Qd]
Dealt to marchione [8s 6c 7d] [5h]
Dealt to phonias209 [9c] [Js]
Dealt to Mostafa2008 [Ac] [6d]
Mostafa2008: bets $5
Moodaeri: calls $5
marchione: calls $5
phonias209: calls $5
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Moodaeri [3h Qd] [2h]
Dealt to marchione [8s 6c 7d 5h] [4d]
Dealt to phonias209 [9c Js] [7h]
Dealt to Mostafa2008 [Ac 6d] [8d]
Mostafa2008: bets $10
Moodaeri: folds
marchione: raises $10 to $20
phonias209: folds
Mostafa2008: calls $10
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to marchione [8s 6c 7d 5h 4d] [9d]
Dealt to Mostafa2008 [Ac 6d 8d] [4h]
Mostafa2008: checks
marchione: bets $10
sascos has returned
Mostafa2008: calls $10
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to marchione [8s 6c 7d 5h 4d 9d] [Kd]
Mostafa2008: checks
marchione: bets $10
Mostafa2008: calls $10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
marchione: shows [8s 6c 7d 5h 4d 9d Kd] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Mostafa2008: mucks hand
marchione collected $122.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $124.50 | Rake $2
Seat 1: Moodaeri folded on the 5th Street
Seat 2: marchione showed [8s 6c 7d 5h 4d 9d Kd] and won ($122.50) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 4: phonias209 folded on the 5th Street
Seat 5: Mostafa2008 mucked [Ks Kc Ac 6d 8d 4h Ts]
Seat 8: sascos folded on the 3rd Street

Why bet all the prior streets when one of Hero's Tens is sitting in someone else's hand? Granted I've only recently started learning 7-stud, but this hand doesn't seem to have a whole lot of upside potential.

He's not actively trying to improve like that. He's protecting and charging draws. Besides, if 'to tall' has one ten and you have two tens, do you put him on having the case ten or some whacky draw? Hence the betting. It's hard to lead the betting like that in a multi-way pot, but if you have the best hand, carpe diem. If the 3 of them are all drawing to inside straights, odds are one is going to catch by the river, so it's better to give them every opportunity to either fold or pay max for the privalege.

Stud hi has a lot of gamble to it. It's not for the faint of heart, which is why I rarely play it past the orbit I'm forced to at a horse table... I couldn't handle the stress and insanity on a daily basis.

Protecting what, a pair of Tens?

lol exactly. Sounds insane, doesn't it? But look at the villain upcards on 3rd and 4th. You *are* getting money into the pot with the best hand. Usually you'll narrow the field down, but that wasn't the case in that hand. It's the opposite of hold em in some ways: you don't make the nuts and get paid off, you continually get your money in good and come out on top in the long run (hopefully). I'm a competent stud player, nothing more, and I have no problem with his line except where I said so in my original reply. I'm all for hearing more thoughts on this, because if I'm the one leading the discussion, the discussion probably sucks and has litttle merit. Unless we want to hijack it and make it o8b.

Every single bet was a bet of value in that hand !
I knew exactly where i was at all times because if someone had made two pair or had a pair of jacks or better i would have been raised on 5th.
also my queens were all live - and at anytime in that hand did i look like i was behind ?

please note i am running 6bb per 100 on 37k of hands at 5-10 which is still a small sample for this limit.
also my game selection is a key factor as to how i play

I think I understand now. Because there were no raises on prior streets and because of the cards showing, you felt confident that your pair of Tens was actually the best hand at that point. So you bet to drive out single high cards that might outdraw you and to charge other draws to chase. That makes sense. Doesn't sound nearly as insane as PLO...

heh.. take a dollar and enter the limit omahi hi donkfest tourney on stars. That's a much closer experience. Stud hi doesn't compare to PLO at all, really. Stud hi has much more in common with limit hold em. Both games were designed to have a showdown. Bluffs have to be fairly intricate and tell a story. And you need a 2nd party who's willing to listen to the story and not just tap on the call button like he's playing video poker.

But once again, I'm no expert on stud. Regardless, re-read those hand histories and pretend Marichione checked instead of bet on each street. Whats the point?

I think some people need to put down the books and take good look at how money is made.
Any time in a stud game when you are playing 8 handed - with 5 people seeing 4th and 4 people are seeing 5th street you have a FAN****INGTASTIC game for 5-10 stud hi online.

You also have to have an understanding how each player plays ~ for example "HOLLYWOOD DAVE" on FTP loves to float me on 3rd when he has a baby showing and two face cards under ( { k-Q}5 ) and looks to pick up a k-q on 4th and hopes to get a check-raise in on 5th- now most 5-10 or 10-20 - players just dont take the time to understand the level of the said players thinking- they just think he's a donk which is obv not true

these games look sooooooooooo juicy...!!! i can't believe it

hands down the easiest way to build a BR online is playing NON holdem games

What did you buy in for. In the first hand you have $51 starting the hand playing $5-10. Buying in short trying to double up, or did you lose a bunch of pots before that?