Roo6339
Thursday, May 15th, 2008, 11:30 PM
First hand at the table. Do you fold here?
PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (9 handed)
Poker Stars Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

.
3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls,
1 fold, Button calls, SB completes,
Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB folds.
Flop: (9 SB) A

, 7

, T
(4 players)Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.
Turn: (6.50 BB) J
(4 players)Hero bets,
MP2 raises,
MP3 3-bets, Button folds, Hero folds
Zach6668
Thursday, May 15th, 2008, 11:59 PM
I don't think so. We got some redraws here. We've got lots of outs to beat hands like AJ and AT, and 3 chop outs for KQ, which would be our worst case scenario...
I'm sure Navy will swing by and run the simulator or whatever he does and set us straight, but I think I peel one off here, on first glance.
Let's see.. We're getting 12-2 immediately, so we'd need to have 8 outs, assuming we're drawing. We've got 7 outs vs AJ, 10 outs vs AT, 12 outs vs JT, 1.5 outs vs KQ, 4 outs vs sets... it obviously complicates things being against two players, as some of our outs will make their hand better, etc....
Also need to factor in the chance it gets capped, but that just drops our odds to 15-3, so not a huge difference, but definitely not negligible, especially because it severely reduces the chances we're ahead (ie never), and usually means we're drawing quite slim.
The toughest part here is being against 2 opponents, and the fact that we have no read.
I think I can see calling here, calling a cap if necessary, then c/c'ing one bet UI on the river, folding if it goes bet/raise. I'd donk out a Q, and probably c/c any cards that improve me over 2 pair, as well, because it's so hard to tell which outs are good for us.
Gargoyle97
Friday, May 16th, 2008, 8:04 AM
We should include 89 in their combined range as well.