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Frez
Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha High, $.50 BB (5 handed) Ultimate Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP ($15.85)
Button ($91.05)
SB ($52.40)
BB ($41.55)
Hero ($45.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif , 7 icon_suit_club.gif , 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif , 5 icon_suit_club.gif .
Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.50) 3 icon_suit_club.gif , Q icon_suit_spade.gif , 4 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, SB calls $4.50.

Turn: ($13.50) 8 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13.5, SB goes all-in $45.90, Hero calls $39.15 all-in.


Overplaying my draw?? Am I pot committed to the turn reraise?
bdc30
I'm checking behind on this turn. You picked up some more outs, but you have 9 high only at this point.
Free chance at hitting your draw ftw.

As played...I think you have to call, but it kinda sucks.
BudBundy
SB'a line is very odd. How often does he raise preflop and c-bet?
Frez
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, May 20th, 2008, 5:09 AM) *
SB'a line is very odd. How often does he raise preflop and c-bet?


No data, sorry.
bdc30
well, pretty much all (both) plo posters have weighed in, might as well post results...
simo_8ball
I don't mind either pot/calling or checking. Both have positives, both have negatives. I would err on the side of checking, but I think it's close. I think a read could easily sway it to potting though.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, May 20th, 2008, 7:09 AM) *
SB'a line is very odd. How often does he raise preflop and c-bet?


I've seen soooooo many people play sets this way.

As played and with no reads, I check behind on turn as well.
dingas
Check behind on the flop. I probably don't do this myself in the heat of the moment, but it seems to be the right play.

The raise from the blinds followed by checking such a dry board looks highly suspicious to me. Anyway, our hand is not that great.

EDIT - also, betting the turn doesn't seem that good, unless you're planning to bluff on a blank river.
Frez
This is getting to be a while ago now, so I don't remember exactly what I was thinking, but it was something like hoping to push him off an AA hand, with a good but not great draw that could stand to see another street if he called. Somehow combining my fold equity with a decent number of outs to make a +EV play. Does that make sense or an I on crack?

I'll post results later from home.
dingas
QUOTE (Frez @ Thursday, May 22nd, 2008, 9:26 AM) *
This is getting to be a while ago now, so I don't remember exactly what I was thinking, but it was something like hoping to push him off an AA hand, with a good but not great draw that could stand to see another street if he called. Somehow combining my fold equity with a decent number of outs to make a +EV play. Does that make sense or an I on crack?

I'll post results later from home.


This is not a bad line of thinking in general, but I don't think many villains will raise from the small blind and then check-fold on this flop. And when he calls the flop, the 8c doesn't really change much - if he liked his hand on the flop, he is not going to be scared off by this turn card. I guess I don't think you have much fold equity here, and you're at best a coinflip on both streets even when all your draws are live.
Frez
River (board: 3c Qs 4s 8c 7s.gif )

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Showdown:

SB shows 7h Qd Jh 8d.
SB has Qd 8d Qs 8c 7s: two pair, queens and eights.
Archer11 shows 9d 7c 6d 5c.
Archer11 has 6d 5c 4s 8c 7s: straight, eight high.


So with results biased hindsight, I should have had a lot of fold equity. Now that I have over a thousand hands on this player, she's 50/20, so the PFR has a wide range, but the turn repot with 2 pair when I potted flop and turn??? There's aggro, then there's spew.

And I got there. As it was, on the turn I was 45% because my clubs were good as well as all the straight card outs I had so maybe I did not mess it up too bad.
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