fighter
Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 5:46 PM
I was reading his blog and he has an excerpt from his new book.
QUOTE
From chapter 1:
Hand 38
CRUCIAL HAND 3 - MAKING THE WRONG READ - FOLDING TOP PAIR
Blinds: 400/800/100, My position: 2 off the button, Hand: Jc 3c, My chip stack: 73,400
New round, same procedure. Or maybe not?
I make it 2500 two off the button with Jc3c. The BB ponders for a while but finally decides to call. It felt like he was thinking about the re-raise and not the fold so my instinct tells me that my J3 is probably not the best hand…
The flop comes:
Jh 8c 6s
Top pair, ridiculous kicker - but top pair nonetheless!
He was supposed to check but instead he decides to fire out 6000. What was that all about? It is not very often that I am facing a substantial lead-out bet when I am the initial raiser and therefore I wanted to take my time to make sure I made the right decision…
My opponent had another 14k in front of him which meant my maximum down-side from this point on would be a total of 20k. Maximum up-side 26k.
Options:
Folding: Seems very odd now that I finally flopped top pair.
Calling: Putting in 6000 and awaiting his next move.
Raising: Shooting 20k into the middle hoping my J3 was ahead.
Three very different approaches and whichever one to take is gonna be decided solely on my read on the situation.
Read:
• He looked eager to re-raise pre-flop - not a good sign.
• He led out 6000 which is a significant part of his stack - not a good sign
• He looked mighty confident about the situation at hand - not a good sign.
I can remember three times in my career where I raised pre-flop, flopped top pair, and folded facing a single bet! Was this going to be the fourth?
The only holdings that made some kind of sense to me were the AJ, the QQ and hands of similar strength. The more I thought about it the more confident he looked, and in the end I saw no other choice than to muck my hand! I folded.
Because of my very curious nature I showed the Jack face-up, as I was certain he was going to turn it over if he had bluffed me. Don't worry - he did! He turned over two Tens displaying his victory to the table, or should I say - my ridiculous fold…
Where did I go wrong?
My initial read about him wanting to re-raise before the flop was correct - re-raising pre-flop with TT would be the normal play.
My read on his confidence level after his lead-out bet was also correct - I think taking my time made my opponent certain that his TT was the best hand because how could I ever be taking that long with a Jack in my hand?
My read on his lead-out bet was incorrect - I took it as a sign of strength where it was in fact meant as a stab to take down the pot if I didn't hit the flop.
I made an informed decision based on all the facts I had available at the time. I came to the wrong conclusion but that is bound to happen when you sit 10 hours at the poker table. Maybe I should think twice next time I am about to fold top pair on the flop…
Seems like cardrunners in book form. Could be very interesting.
fighter
Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 5:47 PM
I know I spelt hansen wrong, But i didnt check the title before posting.
king1305
Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 5:53 PM
tskillz187
Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 7:15 PM
That actually does look good based on the blog post. Hope it delivers.
MyPlayIsRAB
Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 7:21 PM
ok
wow
im buying this
immed
Thriceknurd
Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 9:01 PM
I bought it on the date of release. It's a very easy read (you could read through the whole book in 3 hours), and has alot of great insight regarding tournament play.
Marchione
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 3:21 AM
mod's are getting a little lazy ~ this should be in the book forum
FCP Bob
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 5:16 AM
QUOTE (Marchione @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 7:21 AM)

mod's are getting a little lazy ~ this should be in the book forum
I view book posts as good to be left in general poker for a bit and then moved to the book forum where it will be easy for people to find longterm.
BigDMcGee
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 5:28 AM
QUOTE (Marchione @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 3:21 AM)

mod's are getting a little lazy ~ this should be in the book forum
Snake Plissken
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 8:41 AM
that was good reading. Gus is kinda funny
Balloon guy
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 8:50 AM
QUOTE (FCP Info @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 6:16 AM)

I view book posts as good to be left in general poker for a bit and then moved to the book forum where it will be easy for people to find longterm.
Strategery!
copernicus
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 10:22 AM
Excellent book, and may add to the legion of players who think you can play small ball in an online shallow stack tourney, ty GH.
Vick12
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 10:24 AM
QUOTE (copernicus @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 1:22 PM)

Excellent book, and may add to the legion of players who think you can play small ball in an online shallow stack tourney, ty GH.
HighwayStar
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 10:25 AM
QUOTE (copernicus @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 7:22 PM)

Excellent book, and may add to the legion of players who think you can play small ball in an online shallow stack tourney, ty GH.
Hahah, too true.
Keep playing small ball folks!
nutzbuster
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 10:30 AM
QUOTE (HighwayStar @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 11:25 AM)

Hahah, too true.
Keep playing small ball folks!
greatest sig ever?
Ouch-8s
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 10:43 AM
QUOTE (nutzbuster @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 11:30 AM)

greatest sig ever?
it's damn good. who is that in the back w/ BG?
Jupiter
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 10:45 AM
QUOTE (Ouch-8s @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 3:43 PM)

it's damn good. who is that in the back w/ BG?
duuuuuuurrrr
poo in a bag
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 11:10 AM
QUOTE (nutzbuster @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 2:30 PM)

greatest. sig. ever.
fyp
I_fold08
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 11:11 AM
QUOTE (nutzbuster @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 2:30 PM)

greatest sig ever?
agreed
Vick12
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 11:14 AM
QUOTE (nutzbuster @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 1:30 PM)

greatest sig ever?
QUOTE (I_fold08 @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 2:11 PM)

agreed
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
TravisG
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 11:15 AM
i have no money and i cant find this on thepokerbay . gg me.
no not baxter
Monday, May 12th, 2008, 12:24 PM
move to book forum immmed so too many people dont buy this and then get hella good at the pokers!!!!
Mercury69
Thursday, May 15th, 2008, 5:25 AM
Just based on the good writing and hand analysis of the segment posted, I will read this book.
keith crime
Thursday, May 15th, 2008, 11:46 AM
notice he never says - guess i shouldnt have raised with J3
BigDMcGee
Saturday, May 17th, 2008, 12:30 PM
QUOTE (TravisG @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 11:15 AM)

i have no money and i cant find this on thepokerbay . gg me.
If you have no money, why do you need a poker book to begin with.
Step one of bankroll management: acquire a bankroll.
TravisG
Sunday, May 18th, 2008, 12:16 PM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Saturday, May 17th, 2008, 10:30 PM)

If you have no money, why do you need a poker book to begin with.
Step one of bankroll management: acquire a bankroll.
i have a staking deal.
Max_Powers
Friday, May 23rd, 2008, 4:36 PM
Love this book. It reads like a novel to me - a real page turner, so to speak. Very interesting.
Two things though:
1) If I was the editor I would have demanded an 75% reduction in exclamation points.
2) He has a funny understanding of what the word "optional" means. Just something I noticed. It uses the word in a few somethat bizzare contexts that no native speaker would. Proves its not ghostwritten in any way.
copernicus
Sunday, June 1st, 2008, 10:48 PM
QUOTE (keith crime @ Thursday, May 15th, 2008, 12:46 PM)

notice he never says - guess i shouldnt have raised with J3
why would he? open raising J3s in position is totally consistent with his small ball strategy
7s7c
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 6:57 AM
Borrowing it from a friend currently. I'm amazed at how often people in a 10k tourney would pop on the button (while Gus defends his blind every single time with any two) or the cutoff and not only not C-bet but basically surrender on every street to Gus. Gus wins way too many hands OOP that the late position raiser gives up for some reason.
AmScray
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 11:24 AM
Just finished it.
Books like this are just as bad for poker as cardrunners and other sites like it.
"Poker Philosophy" books are one thing... Be aggressive here, be passive and patient there... Whatever. You can hand a monkey a trumpet- it doesn't mean he's going to be able to do shit with it.
It's the instructional instruments (like this book or cardrunners, etc) that deconstruct the damn thought process of a winning player and get the rabble "thinking right"; these make poker worse for everyone. No, most people aren't going to be able to successfully implement a ULAG strategy like Gus, but carefully outlining the thought processes and handing it over to anyone for a few bucks potentially takes everyones game 'up a notch' which is bad for a game that relies on a wide disparity of skill in order to remain profitable.
Giggidy
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 11:31 AM
QUOTE (AmScray @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 8:24 PM)

Books like this are just as bad for my poker as cardrunners and other sites like it.
FYP
AmScray
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 1:14 PM
No, they're bad for poker in general, not just because I happen to be a winning player.
This is the equivalent of giving Spanish repeating rifles to the wild American Indians. You might have some philosophical delusion about "equality" and "sharing" but at the end of the day, all this does is make your foe harder to conquer, which sucks.
I

shitty poker players. This makes less of them.
Giggidy
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 1:20 PM
QUOTE (AmScray @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 10:14 PM)

I

shitty poker players. This makes less of them.
Who doesn't love a fish!
In general, ppl don't take the time to read poker books/forums/signup to watch videos. If someone wants to take the time to learn a craft/skill and apply it for fun or money i've no problem with that in the slightest.
BigDMcGee
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 8:44 PM
QUOTE (AmScray @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 11:24 AM)

Just finished it.
Books like this are just as bad for poker as cardrunners and other sites like it.
"Poker Philosophy" books are one thing... Be aggressive here, be passive and patient there... Whatever. You can hand a monkey a trumpet- it doesn't mean he's going to be able to do shit with it.
It's the instructional instruments (like this book or cardrunners, etc) that deconstruct the damn thought process of a winning player and get the rabble "thinking right"; these make poker worse for everyone. No, most people aren't going to be able to successfully implement a ULAG strategy like Gus, but carefully outlining the thought processes and handing it over to anyone for a few bucks potentially takes everyones game 'up a notch' which is bad for a game that relies on a wide disparity of skill in order to remain profitable.
Well, you pounded on the glass on this one, Scram. I had not bought this book, because I totally discount any new book offering by Pros, thinking they are just crass cash ins, and not serious poker books. I read this review and went out and bought the book tonight, based 100% on this post.
Poker rule number one, don't tap the glass.
CBass1724
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 6:50 AM
QUOTE (Giggidy @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 5:20 PM)

Who doesn't love a fish!
In general, ppl don't take the time to read poker books/forums/signup to watch videos. If someone wants to take the time to learn a craft/skill and apply it for fun or money i've no problem with that in the slightest.
A lot of people I play with talk about reading certain books or if a certain play is made they will say something cliche like "oh is that in chapter 4 of supersystem" or something gay like that. I honestly think that most of the people who read poker books do not take the time to implement what they learned into their own games. Most people play their own way no matter what they read and I thank them for that!
I've gotten thru about 2/3's of it and it has been great so far. He is just really aggressive and prey's on weakness. It's kind of what Dario and Fluffdog were doing to their opponents all tournament in the $2500 6 max event. They aren't afraid to 3 bet or 4 bet ATC.
AdamC
Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 8:54 PM
QUOTE (7s7c @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 7:57 AM)

Borrowing it from a friend currently. I'm amazed at how often people in a 10k tourney would pop on the button (while Gus defends his blind every single time with any two) or the cutoff and not only not C-bet but basically surrender on every street to Gus. Gus wins way too many hands OOP that the late position raiser gives up for some reason.
I think the reaosn is fairly clear, and fits rpety much wiht this discussion. people raise on the buton and cutoff seat becuase thats what you're "supposed" to do. And much of the time, the people form these spots who end up folding to gus later in the ahdn, as you mentioend, simply shouldn't have been there to begin with. But theyr ead a book that told them to raise there, so they did.
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