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4TeedleMac
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($11)
UTG ($7.95)
MP ($3.35)
Hero ($28.40)
SB ($11.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($0.75) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.5, BB calls $0.50.

Turn: ($1.75) (2 players)
BB bets $1.2, Hero???


This was BB 6th or 7th hand at the table he had been pretty aggressive in the 3 or so hands he has played...I am at least calling here, how often should I raise here or should I raise at all???
NoBBiR
Easy turn call, reassess river.

I bet more on the flop, .60, tbh, but I guess it isn't that big of a deal.
d0c
QUOTE
how often should I raise here or should I raise at all
Never. He's repping trips or better. He won't fold any of those hands. On the other hand, he folds everything that you have beat (including bluff).

QUOTE
call, reassess river.
LJB723
I'd call. You probably have to lay it down if you don't improve on the river though.
Money022
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 5:40 PM) *
Easy turn call, reassess river.

I bet more on the flop, .60, tbh, but I guess it isn't that big of a deal.

I see nothing wrong with betting 2/3 the pot on the flop. Keep'em along for the ride.

As for the turn, call and fold unimproved to a bet.
psujohn
We bet more on the flop because of the flop texture. Minus the flush draw on board the bet is fine. With the flush draw out there I bet .60 or .65.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (psujohn @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 2:25 PM) *
We bet more on the flop because of the flop texture. Minus the flush draw on board the bet is fine. With the flush draw out there I bet .60 or .65.

Just to clarify, you see that we have the nut flush draw?
psujohn
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 9:29 AM) *
Just to clarify, you see that we have the nut flush draw?


Yes. But we base the size of our bets on the board texture and not the hand we hold.
LJB723
QUOTE (psujohn @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 2:39 PM) *
Yes. But we base the size of our bets on the board texture and not the hand we hold.

Surely simo meant we make a bet that will keep any other flush draw interested. With the nfd I want QdXd to hang around as long as possible.

Your reasoning of betting more with a flush draw present seems more of a defensive tactic. Or have I misread you?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (psujohn @ Monday, May 12th, 2008, 2:39 PM) *
Yes. But we base the size of our bets on the board texture and not the hand we hold.

I don't think that's too important in most cases. think striving for optimal play is vastly overrated at low stakes (below ~2/4nl).

If you think you can successfully exploit a situation, do it. If you think your opponent is going to be able to make good inferences and adjustments on your future play then you should try to play optimally.

In a pot with a bad player there is no need to think about game theoretical implications.
psujohn
It's not entirely about meta game considerations though that's part of it. I'm not too worried about opponents who will notice and distinguish the difference between 75% pot and 90% pot bets.

Really keeping someone around with a worse flush draw isn't a big concern because if there is someone out there with the worse flush draw the flush is far less likely to hit.

Honestly it's not really about protecting your hand with a bigger bet either. I think players that will call 75% pot with a non-nut flush draw will call 90% pot with a non nut flush draw. The bigger bet is about value first - there are more worse hands that will call a bet.
mtdesmoines
I bet the flop harder.
Much harder.
Two reasons.
This is a dream flop for us.
First, some of the hands that CALL the PF raise are ahead of us right now.
Purposes of betting are to get better hands to fold, worse hands to call.
Maybe we lean AJ toward a fold.
Second, it's not a bad idea to fill the pot when we hold the NF draw/TP.
If we wait until the flush hits to start betting hard, our hand is exposed.
The turn is a nightmare card.
But the good news is that we could be looking at A8 or
something like that that is putting us on a naked diamond draw.
I don't sweat the turn too hard and I call a reasonable (80% or less) river bet.
If a diamond hits the river, I'm not afraid to get in one buyin or less.
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