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AimHigher
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($4.60)
Hero ($12.80)
CO ($5.50)
Button ($5.20)
SB ($5.85)
BB ($11.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T, T.
UTG raises to $0.3, Hero calls $0.30, 4 folds.

Flop: ($0.75) 7, 3, A (2 players)

Final Pot: $0.75

This guy is a little screwy. Earlier I raised 55 and he floated my flop bet OOP on an AAA board with J9. In another hand he also limped on my BB with 33 and potted the turn and river on a K 7 4 T A board. He's running at 64/17/2.0 and is totally spewy.
simo_8ball
Wait, you're saying you sometimes DON'T 3-bet this?!?

This is 100% a 3-bet. Against a 64/17 I'm 3-betting here to $1.3 and getting it in on any decent flop. Probably a fair amount of bad flops too.

Against a TAG I'd be ok with flatting sometimes, although I'd still be reluctant.
AimHigher
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 1:37 AM) *
Wait, you're saying you sometimes DON'T 3-bet this?!?

This is 100% a 3-bet. Against a 64/17 I'm 3-betting here to $1.3 and getting it in on any decent flop. Probably a fair amount of bad flops too.

Against a TAG I'd be ok with flatting sometimes, although I'd still be reluctant.


I'm still a noob simo, you know that. icon_cool.gif
Dictius
I 3bet TT probably 90% of the time (including this time)
Snamuh
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Friday, May 9th, 2008, 8:37 PM) *
Wait, you're saying you sometimes DON'T 3-bet this?!?

This is 100% a 3-bet. Against a 64/17 I'm 3-betting here to $1.3 and getting it in on any decent flop. Probably a fair amount of bad flops too.

Against a TAG I'd be ok with flatting sometimes, although I'd still be reluctant.


I think 3betting a TAG here is probably not a good idea. I'm flatting TT/JJ vs a UTG TAG raise and I'll sometimes flat QQ as well (maybe like 30% of the time). What is a TAG raising and calling a 3bet UTG OOP that TT is significantly ahead of? His range would crush you.
Sheiky
Against a tight opening range i think flatting is better here, but against a 61/17 half stack i think it's fine to 3-bet and try and get it in
NoBBiR
Lol, you HAVE to threebet 1010 against a 64/17. ALWAYS.

Pokertracker > life.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 8:09 AM) *
I think 3betting a TAG here is probably not a good idea. I'm flatting TT/JJ vs a UTG TAG raise and I'll sometimes flat QQ as well (maybe like 30% of the time).

Pussy. smile.gif

QUOTE (Snamuh @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 8:09 AM) *
What is a TAG raising and calling a 3bet UTG OOP that TT is significantly ahead of? His range would crush you.

If you are villain with 99 or AQ you aren't loving life. You can't usually call the 3-bet with suited connectors or small pairs OOP, and hands like KJs suck ass.

The only time you really like being 3-bet is when you have AK or JJ+ (and even with JJ you're probably in a fairly tough spot).

It's unlikely our TT will be 4-bet bluffed, so we can easily fold to a 4-bet.

(Don't get on to me about raising for info - we aren't. We are raising for value and to protect our hand.)
Sheiky
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 11:11 AM) *
Against a tight opening range i think flatting is better here, but against a 61/17 half stack i think it's fine to 3-bet and try and get it in


Acctually i don't agree with this, 61/17 is still raising as many hands as a 22/17 so i don't see why that should change much
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 9:48 PM) *
Acctually i don't agree with this, 61/17 is still raising as many hands as a 22/17 so i don't see why that should change much

It's the fact that a 61/17 will respond differently to a 3-bet.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 9:25 PM) *
Pussy. smile.gif
If you are villain with 99 or AQ you aren't loving life. You can't usually call the 3-bet with suited connectors or small pairs OOP, and hands like KJs suck ass.

The only time you really like being 3-bet is when you have AK or JJ+ (and even with JJ you're probably in a fairly tough spot).

It's unlikely our TT will be 4-bet bluffed, so we can easily fold to a 4-bet.

(Don't get on to me about raising for info - we aren't. We are raising for value and to protect our hand.)

^^Totally missed that he had a half stack.
AimHigher
In other words, flatting it is fine against someone with a PFR% of 5 and we should be 3-betting anyone running at like 10% or over. If we 3 bet and he shoves since he is half-stacked we are happily calling.
Sheiky
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 9:55 PM) *
It's the fact that a 61/17 will respond differently to a 3-bet.


Touche
CobaltBlue
Probably want to 3-bet here against bad to average opponents and consider calling against better opponents.
Snamuh
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 9:24 PM) *
Probably want to 3-bet here against bad to average opponents and consider calling against better opponents.


I agree.
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