1/2 Live, 8 handed.

Hero stack = 605, Villain covers in BB. Hero is on the button with 2s2d

Preflop: UTG straddles, 1 fold, 2 limps, Hero calls, ss, calls, bb calls, UTG checks.

Flop: (7 players 28.00) 5s 3s 2h

Everyone checks to Hero, who bets 25.00, SB folds, BB raises to 75.00, folds to Hero, who raises to 200.00, BB instashoves, hero ????

Rdog had a very similar hand in the challenge thread. There were raises pre flop though. He folded the bottom set, the stats he had on the player meant he was a rock. Any reads on the BB? One of the cardrunner coaches or someone like that said Rdogs fold was most likely a good one.

Player dependent he could have As 6s, or a straight already. Would he do it with two suited over cards with ace for a gutshot aswell.

Seems like we could fold, I never really lay down sets, but if we were going to, this board is pretty good for it. I usually give less credit live than online for some reason

I wouldn't re-raise to $200 if i wasn't going to call a shove i think, so probably call.

This is pretty simmilar(from what i can remember anyway) to a hand Acid Knight sent in to Card Player which got featured in their magazine, but i can't remember the link.

In a 7 player limped pot, this is the place to get away from a low set.

Really?

Also, I call here as well.

I think so, he posted in BAW IIRC and it was almost exactly this flop with bottom set facing a 4-bet shove or some kind of all in move on the flop. Though i'll sound like an idiot if i try to recall more so i'll let Matt find you the link.

I fold. This screams A4 also because its the BB it could be 46.

Although I may have just called the $75 bet, the raise may have saved you from going broke.

Ignore him. He has no soul/doesnt appreciate the beatles

Have to call this. This is nothing like RDog's hand because the board texture in his hand narrowed villain's range to a very tiny range, and there were like no draws there.

This board is incredibly drawy. On pot odds alone we pretty much have to call even if we know they have A4. I wouldn't 3bet the flop and then fold. Call.

If this is like any 1/2 game I have played at 4 bet shoves is always the nuts... i never fold a set, but I hit a 5

Yep. And we'd obviously prefer that he holds 46 or A4 hand, which are his most likely hands. And we're only a 2:1 dog to that I believe. We're getting almost exactly 2:1 on this so I think it's a must-call, especially if there's any remote chance he has a flush draw, some weird straight draw, or two pair (and I think there probably is).

I agree with this, but yeah, the question comes, what is your read on villain?

I've seen the bb show up with 35 or 66 here or two spades a lot at the live 1/2 game. Some one on here made a comment that the live 1/2 game is about as juicy as the .05-.10 game on line and though I was really defiant at first the more I have played both the more I agree. (this is coming from a strictly live player who decided to tackle both so you know how bitchy we are about on line players at first

In any case....I have seen a lot of bad, dumb plays here so it would be really hard for me to fold against the range of a random live 1/2 player with no reads.

With the same logic....it sure does suck when the show you 46

Nah it sucks when they show you 33 or 55! 46 wouldn't be so bad.

Villain is pretty solid.

He has made one move with a draw that worked out in his favor because he read his opponent as weak where he got pushy on a semibluff and got there not expecting the other player to call him down because the guy was acting weak and not showing a ton of interest in the pot.

Against me, he knew I had a hand and wasn't just trying to steal a pot exp when I 3 bet.

I'm 98% sure he has a made hand in this spot, at worst two pair, possibly a set, and obviously the 64 and A4 straights being a part of his range.

http://www.cardplayer.com/author/article/all/24/7050

Yeah, he didn't have a single bet size correct, but other than that, it's a very similar hand. My hand was kind of complicated by the fact that there was a 3rd player in there and so I knew almost certainly that the guy who shoved had a made hand and that it was gonna be better than mine the vast majority of the time.


In this hand, you simply cannot 3 bet that flop and then fold to a shove here. There are 11 billion draws including Axss which would play like the nuts anyway. Once you 3 bet, just call and hope to fade his draws or suck out on his straight if that's what he's got.

So the general thought process is that if you 3 bet the flop, you're calling a shove (even considering stack sizes?) or that the better play here is to call the check raise and reevaluate with position on the turn.

Nah I think the better play is just to get it in on the flop.

+1

The idea with anything in poker is that you should know how you're going to react to the next move or the next card that rolls off etc. If you 3 bet this flop, it's becuase you're snap calling a shove, which is the correct move.