zoo
Wednesday, May 7th, 2008, 4:35 PM
Villain is a rock. 13%/3%/2.2 over 451 hands. Seems to play pretty ABC. I haven't seen him do anything crazy and I am pretty sure he would have open raised preflop with AA, AK or KK. Thoughts?
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed)
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UTG+2 ($200.60)
Hero ($141.70)
MP2 ($64.75)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($131.90)
Button ($134.60)
SB ($203.90)
BB ($323.10)
UTG ($326.70)
UTG+1 ($64)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+2 calls $2,
Hero raises to $9,
6 folds, UTG+2 calls $7.
Flop: ($21) K

, 7

, 3
(3 players)UTG+2 bets $14,
Hero raises to $28,
UTG+2 raises to $50, Hero ???
DonkSlayer
Wednesday, May 7th, 2008, 4:39 PM
I've seen some rocks limp/call with AK oop. That and the fact that you min-raised his donkbet makes me want to call him, since your minraise is read as a bluff a lot of times.
If you had raised to $35/$40 and he shoved, I can get away from it.
staggo
Wednesday, May 7th, 2008, 5:17 PM
Seems a lot like utg+2 limp called 77, or 33. Ak could have limp called, but thats all your really ahead of here against a very rocky player like the one your describing. Wish you raised a little more than min
pokerinc
Wednesday, May 7th, 2008, 5:23 PM
I don't think this is AK. You have the A of clubs which is actually a little scary.
I would play kq sooted like that post flop I guess. Other than that only other hands I see are 777 and 333 from a straight forward rock.
Hmm...re looking at it yeah, I don't like your post min raise. He CiBed you, which makes me think a wider range. He didn't give you much credit and can now make a move with way more hands here.
As played go back in time and buy in for a full stack then make a big boy raise over his donk.
TrueAce13
Wednesday, May 7th, 2008, 6:01 PM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Wednesday, May 7th, 2008, 5:39 PM)

I've seen some rocks limp/call with AK oop. That and the fact that you min-raised his donkbet makes me want to call him, since your minraise is read as a bluff a lot of times.
If you had raised to $35/$40 and he shoved, I can get away from it.
Yeah, need to raise more after the flop bet.
As played, I think I'm shipping it in
Artagas
Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 2:14 AM
I know I am a passive donk, but is it even a good idea to raise this flop into a rock? I know we probably have the best hand, but after limp-calling/donking the flop KQs is by far the most likely hand in a
straightforward rock's range, and I have doubts about a flop raise being the best way to get value out of it.
The 3bet is scary because he might put you on AK after you min-raise and he is still not looking too concerned.
I'd call it and fold to any serious turn bet if the miracle A wont show up. (Because our only hope is really that he is getting aggro with TP and if so he will check most turns probably. I don't think it is a very likely scenario, but getting 1:4 I could never fold)
IBFT
Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 2:50 AM
1) buy in for full
2) raise to 10 preflop
3) don't 3 bet here unless you have a clear idea of why you're doing it
When a 13/3/2 (pretty tight/passive) plays a hand this way, i myself am probably going to become passive. I would probably just try to call down here. If I raise his flop bet and he reraises, Im foling 100% of the time. This is a dry board, not even an OESD for me to talk myself into (as a hand range). I would say this is 77 about 95% of the time. 33 4% of the time. KK .05% of the time, and something you beat .05% of the time. If I'm wrong, Im willing to fold the best hand once in a while.
NoBBiR
Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 11:23 AM
QUOTE (IBFT @ Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 2:50 AM)

1) buy in for full
2) raise to 10 preflop
3) don't 3 bet here unless you have a clear idea of why you're doing it
When a 13/3/2 (pretty tight/passive) plays a hand this way, i myself am probably going to become passive. I would probably just try to call down here. If I raise his flop bet and he reraises, Im foling 100% of the time. This is a dry board, not even an OESD for me to talk myself into (as a hand range). I would say this is 77 about 95% of the time. 33 4% of the time. KK .05% of the time, and something you beat .05% of the time. If I'm wrong, Im willing to fold the best hand once in a while.
I agree that we're behind here so often that I'm very willing to lay it down.
Snamuh
Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 11:30 AM
I don't like raising the flop vs nits, definitely not on this board. If I were going to raise, I'd raise close to 40-45. There's no draws to protect against and his line looks awfully lot like a set. I fold as his range is almost exclusively 33/77 here.
Snamuh
Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 11:33 AM
QUOTE (IBFT @ Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 6:50 AM)

1) buy in for full
2) raise to 10 preflop
3) don't 3 bet here unless you have a clear idea of why you're doing it
When a 13/3/2 (pretty tight/passive) plays a hand this way, i myself am probably going to become passive. I would probably just try to call down here. If I raise his flop bet and he reraises, Im foling 100% of the time. This is a dry board, not even an OESD for me to talk myself into (as a hand range). I would say this is 77 about 95% of the time. 33 4% of the time. KK .05% of the time, and something you beat .05% of the time. If I'm wrong, Im willing to fold the best hand once in a while.
What makes you think it's 77 far more often than 33? I'm willing to believe it's the opposite. More like 77 46%, 33 43%, KK like 6% and something random like 5% of the time. Note that I made the numbers like this so they'd add to 100 but I do believe 33 is more likely to open limp than 77, and both play it this way postflop.
IBFT
Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 1:22 PM
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 3:33 PM)

What makes you think it's 77 far more often than 33? I'm willing to believe it's the opposite. More like 77 46%, 33 43%, KK like 6% and something random like 5% of the time. Note that I made the numbers like this so they'd add to 100 but I do believe 33 is more likely to open limp than 77, and both play it this way postflop.
I think that 77 is the lower threshold of a 13 vpip's EP range, thats where my statement comes from. Either way, you're drawing to two outs.
IBFT
Thursday, May 8th, 2008, 1:22 PM
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