PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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CO ($6.87)
Hero ($5.31)
SB (Villain)/ ($9.69)
BB ($1.12)
UTG ($2.87)
MP ($0.96)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, SB (Villain)/ completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.08) , , (4 players)
Villain bets $1.22, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero ?

i do not feel villain is a good player, but has shown decent hands to win (has not shown many). I made a couple stupid mistakes early to give them money, and have been getting bet out of the pot a lot by way of missing nearly all my flops.

villain frequently overbets the pot. pattern generally goes bet the pot or a little more on the flop, bet about 2x the pot on turn. the only times we get past this is when someone makes a stupid call and loses. i have not seen a bet this rediculous though.

i think its pretty safe to assume my 9 is no good. i'm lost beyond that. i would like to establish a range for villain, and have someone run the numbers for equity.

raisey daisey... you obv have the best hand at this point, the only thing I'm thinking villian has if you explain his play correctly is nut flush draw.. maybe A 4 or something of that nature

Fold preflop, please.

Raise the flop as played.

Agreed and agreed.

raise to all in? i expect to get called every time. i should have mentioned i've been pretty lag.

93? Really?

What flop were you hoping for exactly when you played this garbage? This is about as good as it gets, get the cash in!

ditto

Yes, about the best flop you can hope for. I think this is a push no question.
We have up to 14 outs to improve.

Fold preflop.

lol maybe he was playing very tight and wanted to exploit his image at the table with this hand..

Limping on the button w 93s is just loose, not aggressive. Like everyone has said, fold PF. But since you didn't, get the money in once you hit TP with the FD.

A limp on the button with 93cc. LAG is when people raise, not limp. Definitely fold preflop. You hit the most amazing flop you can hit, why is this not a snap-crackle-insta all in?!

It's hard to do that. To exploit your image with this hand, you'd have to hit the flop hard enough to show it down in order to gain any credible metagame, and it's hard to hit a huge flop with 93s. Otherwise people are just like, oh he limp/folded, he must of had an OK hand.

Beside the fact. It's 1/2 cent... No one cares what style you're playing, or pays any attention unless you're making it a dollar to go preflop every hand. ABC poker is winning poker, even if it isn't exciting.

And yes, shove.

lets skip all the fold preflop stuff. it's 1c/2c and i'm not playing for a living. let's assume i'm going to play this hand when it limps around to me, if for no other reason than to see a flop and gain experience. that leaves us with call or raise preflop, but i'm more concerned with the flop decision here.

i said i've been playing lag, i didn't say i'm playing this hand in a lag style. i've been raising and betting more than anything this session.

everybody says shove, but nobody has made any comments about what villain can have (other than the poke at A4c). i was hoping we could figure out what they might hold and run pokerstove or something for numbers. so, i'll try to define our situation to provoke some discussion.

i give villain credit for some type of hand. if they had air, they are check/folding (or betting 2c and folding to a raise). the only thing they may have that i'm currently beating is suited overcards/suited A6-A7-similar. i'd give this less weight just because i haven't seen villain make any bets on a draw like this. otherwise it's a pair of 9's or better, and i have to be behind if that's the case.

i have near 0% fold equity here. i expect villain to call any raise.

villain has bet $1.22 into an $.08 pot. this is what confuses me. yes they have been overbetting, but nothing this out there. if they had bet 8c or 20c or maybe even 30c, i'm happy to raise and see what comes next. i can't decide if this is "i am interested in the pot but i don't want to fight it out," or "i have a big hand and want someone to put a bunch of money in with this draw heavy board."

as long as i'm writing this all out i'll try to ballpark my odds:

vs JcTc: have to dodge 7+6, villain is ~52%, i'm ~48%.
vs Ax9x: have 9+3, i am ~48%. if it's Ac i'm ~44%.
vs 6x7x: have 9, i am ~36%. if it's 6c7c i'm ~28%.
vs 88: have 9, but have to dodge 7 + runner runner. cardplayer says i'm ~30%.
vs TxTx: have 9+2+3, i am ~56%. if it's Tc i'm ~52%.

You have the best hand an overwhelming majority of the time anyway, and you're never far behind when you are behind. It's an instashove on the flop every time.

Also... don't play "lag" at .02NL... it's pointless, utterly pointless... lighting money on fire pointless

also, nobody notices or cares you're lag... they see their two cards and that's it

And yes, fold garbage preflop. You are not playing "lag" by limping bullshit, you're just limping bullshit. That's called loose passive i.e. fish

1) Ok, look - don't post hands where you play badly on a street and expect not to get grief, especially when you know you've played badly on that street. I'm not trying to be a dick, you just have to expect it. And it doesn't matter if you play for a living (obv you don't, you're playing 1/2 cent) or for fun, you still should know that folding 93 preflop is better than calling. You say let's assume you're playing it to get better, but heres a good tip. The best thing you can learn in the low stakes is patience. You can't go monkey shit and limp in all the time with suited garbage cards, this isn't High Stakes Poker.

2) Villain could have A9, K9, Q9, two pair, a set, a straight (fairly likely imo), the NFD, the NFD+Gutterball, OESD+FD (107cc, J10cc), A slowplayed overpair. I also think it's fairly likely he may have misclick bet. He could have tried to bet 12 cents and hit 2 too many times and the period in the wrong spot or something stupid.

3) It's unlikely you have absolutely 0 fold equity. I mean you COULD have zero, and you probably ended up having zero based on how you're talking, but knowing his cards after the hand is over bares no relevance on his range for this situation. Regardless, people at 1/2 cent are willing to do this with a lot of trash hands. Even if you have a sliver of FE with this hand, it's a reraise. The reason? Because even if he calls, you've got pretty solid equity against his range. And how much is in the pot, based on how much someone bet doesn't matter if you have a strong hand. If you had 107cc or J10cc, I can't imagine you would be thinking twice about putting it in. You have a pretty similar hand, so act like it.

4) Yeah dude, it's called a gamble. Sometime you have to take the worst of a coinflip when you have FE, or a big draw. You can't just get it in with the stone nuts all of the time. Plus, GAMBOOLLLLING IS FUNNNN!

Agreed with what Temporary and NoBBiR just said about about this hand.

If your going to play and post hands in here, expect to got smashed if the situation calls for it. This is one of those situations.

If your going to play this hand, raise PF. Yes, he could have a better flush draw, but you came into this hand to hit a flop like you did. So again, this situation is a snap-crackle-insta shovel.

Reasonable approximation of villain's range here that will call you if you shove. I think there are other hands in villain's range that he won't call with. If you truly have zero fold equity this is a fold. I don't think you ever have zero fold equity here. You'd be surprised how often this is KhJs or something equally retarded.

Board: 9d 5c 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.179% 40.96% 00.22% 6893 37.50 { 9c3c }
Hand 1: 58.821% 58.60% 00.22% 9862 37.50 { TT-88, AcTc, Ac7c, Ac6c, 76s }

And you'd be surprised how often KhJs will call here anyway, which is equally awesome.

thanks for the good replies. hero folded, no idea what villain doesn't show. it looks like i should have called, but its close enough that i'll accept making the small mistake of folding here versus getting stacked for 275 bb to end my session (i was done soon after this).

i hadn't thought of it at the time, but a misclick seems pretty like. a 12c bet would fit with villain's patter pretty well here. if it's not a misclick, i'll go along with a no club straight being pretty likely.

i've been keeping this is mind since i played it, and i think it's been good for me. it's probably helped keep me out of some stupid situations. thanks again.

Make sure you remember that making a +EV decision vs. making a bad fold because your getting ready to quit playing, you should always take the EV. Poker is one big long session, and doesn't end when you're going to quit.

Good advice but there's one small factor. If losing a pot like this at the end is going to cause him to tilt, then it would be -EV for him to potentially lose his stack here even if it is a +EV play. It's weird logic but if the correct play EVwise has a -EV effect on him, he might be better off folding it. Note that I would certainly chose the +EV play myself and wouldn't focus on the aspect I presented but it's something the player has to figure out for himself. OP would be better off focusing on the longterm though.

That's what immediately occurred to me...which means we have quite a lot of FE.

I also agree with Snamuh.

I go ahead and shove this.
Villain may have misclicked and we can fold him.
Or he has naked NF draw with overs, which means we're ahead and stealing outs.
Or he has something else we can out draw.
This bet is too freaky to respect.