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brandonreal
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t250 (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO (t7395)
Button (t6655)
SB (t3705)
Hero (t6565)
UTG (t2935)
MP (t3735)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG calls t250, 1 fold, CO calls t250, Button calls t250, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t1250) , , (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t700, UTG calls t700, CO folds, Button calls t700, SB folds.

Turn: (t3350) (3 players)
Hero bets t2100, UTG calls t1960 (All-In), Button calls t2100.

River: (t9510) (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t3490 (All-In), Button calls t3490.

Final Pot: t16490




Slapped my head on this one. 5.50 [6-max] tourney. The CO was a loose player who was playing practically every hand, and never folding to any re-raise. The UTG much tigher. After their calls on the flop I wanted to put the breaks on considering I'm sure one of them had the Kd or Ad. Once I turned the 3rd duece I switched to defending my hand against their draws. My play on the river was flat out terrible, as my all-in bet did nothing if the CO missed his draw, and eliminated me if he had a better hand. He was somewhat of a calling station, so there was a chance he would call with a weaker hand all the way down. What would you guys suggest a much better approach to this hand would've been?
Danny Dingleberry
don't post results.

you have bottom pair OOP on a flushed board with 5 people in the pot. think about it for a second.
brandonreal
QUOTE (Danny Dingleberry @ Saturday, May 3rd, 2008, 5:41 PM) *
don't post results.

you have bottom pair OOP on a flushed board with 5 people in the pot. think about it for a second.


After stopping and looking back...You obviously make a good point. bubble_lol.gif Guess I didn't need to ask that. Thanks.
Metternich
check/fold the flop.
jday561
yea why would you bet that flop out? c/f definitely..
copernicus
I dont mind the flop bet with bottom pair, overcard to the board and 3rd nut flush draw. Once thats called and the set turns I would bet smaller. It only takes 1000 to charge a flush draw, it keeps the pot small in case theres a flopped flush or turned boat. Check river and hope for a cheap showdown, fold to a big bet.
jday561
yea i agree with you copernicus after re-thinking
Danny Dingleberry
whoops, didn't notice q was diamond. still, I tread lightly here.
HighwayStar
Up to turn is fine. I check/fold or bet/fold that flop and aggression is always good.
Bet less on turn, maybe even check.
Pot is 3350, UTG has 2k, you/button have about 5.5k.
By just calling UTG is either a moron calling with the draw or very confident he has the best hand.

If you check
UTG shoves, Button calls, easy fold.
UTG shoves, Button folds, close but probably call.
UTG checks, button checks, re-evaulate on river, pot is kept small this way and you won't get committed.
UTG checks, button bets...horrible spot, read dependent but I probably fold.

If you bet, bet about 1k, UTG has to shove/fold.
UTG folds, button calls, reevaluate river but probably check/fold.
UTG shoves, button calls, call.
UTG shoves button calls, again horrible, you have ridiculous odds to call. I probably call and check/fold river which doesn't boat me up. Button calling here is a horrible play with any hand on that board but there's nothing you can do about that.
UTG shoves, button repops, fold

Dunno how good my analysis is, not sure how to use your reads here. Important to note how passive the players have been, are they TAG and LAG or tight/passive and loose/passive.


No idea what TWO people can show up with here.

Ad makes sense for one, flopped nut flush also makes sense for one they can';t both have these hands. Kd/K high flush just about makes sense I guess.
Can't see sets just calling on that flop but you never know.
MitchellC
If you are up against 5 opponents why bet so much on the flop? Bet $250 the min bet size to slow down your opponents (hopefully) and to see the turn card cheap. I'm not even sure your rooting for a diamond on the turn.

When the turn is the 2--you have a set--why not move all in on the turn since you aren't going to fold to a raise and why not try to win the pot now.
copernicus
QUOTE (MitchellC @ Monday, May 5th, 2008, 10:07 PM) *
If you are up against 5 opponents why bet so much on the flop? Bet $250 the min bet size to slow down your opponents (hopefully) and to see the turn card cheap. I'm not even sure your rooting for a diamond on the turn.

When the turn is the 2--you have a set--why not move all in on the turn since you aren't going to fold to a raise and why not try to win the pot now.


Because youre either way ahead of a draw or way behind to a made hand. When youre ahead you dont want to chase the draw away, and when youre behind you dont want to lose more than what is a reasonable charge for the draw.
jmbreslin
I don't lead that flop. You're not chasing away the Ad or Kd and your BP isn't going to be worth a whole lot here. All you're doing with the bet is bloating the pot for someone else to hit the better flush. This is one of those situations where aggression isn't going to accomplish anything. I check/call the flop.
copernicus
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Tuesday, May 6th, 2008, 8:36 AM) *
I don't lead that flop. You're not chasing away the Ad or Kd and your BP isn't going to be worth a whole lot here. All you're doing with the bet is bloating the pot for someone else to hit the better flush. This is one of those situations where aggression isn't going to accomplish anything. I check/call the flop.


Youre not chasing the Ad Kd but youre chasing a lot of other hands, and the Ad, Kd arent necessarily out there. You will take it down right away a lot of the time, your Qd will be the top flush card fairly often, and when the flush doesnt come in you still have 5 outs to a probable winner. Its thin, but profitable to lead here imo.
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