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AimHigher
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO (t1760)
Hero (t2320)
SB (t2040)
BB (t1870)
UTG (t1965)
MP (t3545)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
3 folds, Hero raises to t150, SB calls t125, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t450) , , (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t200, SB folds, BB calls t200.

Turn: (t850) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t850) (2 players)
BB checks,

Herooooo???

$1.20 9 player donkaments.
KoRnholio
Any bet you make there absolutely reeks of a bluff. If you want to fire again to try to get him off a king, then pop the turn.
LJB723
Galvanize!

I have no idea what he could c/c flop, check turn/river with. If he has a K he's not letting it go. If you wanted to bluff this you needed to bet the turn.
jmbreslin
Unnecessarily aggressive at this level of play. When you're facing loose-passive players who call with wide ranges and don't know how to lay down hands, making plays like raising 98s and CBing with a missed hand against 2 villains on an AK flop is going to cost you lots of chips over the long run. Patient, straightforward ABC poker works very well at $1.20.
AimHigher
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Saturday, May 3rd, 2008, 8:57 PM) *
Unnecessarily aggressive at this level of play. When you're facing loose-passive players who call with wide ranges and don't know how to lay down hands, making plays like raising 98s and CBing with a missed hand against 2 villains on an AK flop is going to cost you lots of chips over the long run. Patient, straightforward ABC poker works very well at $1.20.


You're telling me what I don't want to hear, but you are absolutely correct. The problem is that I know I am better than the typical players in these games by a considerable margin and it tends to make me feel very bored and unchallenged. The only reason I am even in these games is because I cashed out all but $10 of my bankroll for bills. icon_frown.gif
copernicus
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Saturday, May 3rd, 2008, 12:57 PM) *
Unnecessarily aggressive at this level of play. When you're facing loose-passive players who call with wide ranges and don't know how to lay down hands, making plays like raising 98s and CBing with a missed hand against 2 villains on an AK flop is going to cost you lots of chips over the long run. Patient, straightforward ABC poker works very well at $1.20.



Even at higher level SnGs raising this PF isnt good at this stage. Tight tight tight.
potatoman
If you're a better player than these typical players, you won't be making plays like this.

I recently dropped down to play the $2.40 sngs this month (took some bad beats in April, so just wanted to get my head straight) and I already have a couple of losses because I couldn't fold these players off fourth pair or A high.

The $5.50 crowd play bad, but below that you have a number of players with zero patience or discipline to fold a hand. Play to these weaknesses and don't turn them into strengths for your opponents.
Canary3
QUOTE (potatoman @ Saturday, May 3rd, 2008, 4:59 PM) *
If you're a better player than these typical players, you won't be making plays like this.

I recently dropped down to play the $2.40 sngs this month (took some bad beats in April, so just wanted to get my head straight) and I already have a couple of losses because I couldn't fold these players off fourth pair or A high.

The $5.50 crowd play bad, but below that you have a number of players with zero patience or discipline to fold a hand. Play to these weaknesses and don't turn them into strengths for your opponents.

You could save a lot of money if you would switch to full tilt. That rake really adds up over the long run.
jday561
QUOTE (Canary3 @ Saturday, May 3rd, 2008, 5:16 PM) *
You could save a lot of money if you would switch to full tilt. That rake really adds up over the long run.

yea if your playing at this level on a regular basis I recommend switiching to Tilt also... PS just takes waaay to much
HighwayStar
*oops*
HighwayStar
The check button I hope..
Don't bluff in a $1.20 unless you have a solid solid read.
BB could even show up with an ace here.
Only thing you possibly will get to fold is QJ

Don't mind the raise preflop, don't CB that flop though
AimHigher
I can get on board with not raising 89s from the button, but I really cannot ever get on board with not C-betting this flop.

If I had raised the button with 99 I would have still C-bet this flop and at this level it is very effective. The trick against stations is not to C-bet frequently, but to C-bet flops they think collided with yours. It works because aces and kings are a much smaller part of their range than tighter players.

Anyway, I checked behind because I didn't think a bet could move him off a king and he showed me KT.
jmbreslin
I honestly can't see a CB working very often in this type of situation, precisely because players will call with lots of A/K hands and won't let them go on the flop. As a general rule I don't CB with a missed hand into more than one opponent, unless I feel very confident that I could take it down.
Sheiky
PF is fine, folding is just so incredibly nitty it makes my head explode.

Flop i'd probably just give up on.

Betting the river would be a spew imo because he has a king too often and he obviously would never fold it, you might get looked up by medium pocket pairs here as well.

I don't think comments such as 'Don't bluff players in a $1.20' are all that relevant in this spot either because you're getting called by a king here at pretty much any level, and the fact that people at lower levels are liable to make super light flop calls for no apparent reason with hopeless hands means that betting the river can be profitable in spots where you have no showdown value.
copernicus
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Sunday, May 4th, 2008, 7:53 AM) *
I honestly can't see a CB working very often in this type of situation, precisely because players will call with lots of A/K hands and won't let them go on the flop. As a general rule I don't CB with a missed hand into more than one opponent, unless I feel very confident that I could take it down.



Actually I dont mind a smallish probe/cb, though obv Id like it more if it were a MTT than a SnG. Normally I dont with more than one opponent, but after two checks, a board with 2 As, no flush draw, and obv at best a gut straight draw there is a very good chance you'll take this down. The only hands that should call are trips (unlikely with 2 As out and no PF raise or flop bet) or a set of Ks, or AK, again both unlikely with no PF reraise since the obvious read on you is A.

The bonus in this hand is that you have a flush draw, and if you dont get c/r out by a slowplaying A youre going to see a free turn card, and maybe a cheap river card if the villain is asleep.

Against one opponent I love CBs with a dry Ace board because you will take it down unless villain has an A 75% of the time, and when he calls you can shut down and not lose much in the hand. Again, if youve called with suited connectors you may have the added bonus of a backdoor draw.
jmbreslin
The third card is an Ace? I can't even see it...

Sheiky, I don't think there is anything wrong at all with folding this PF. It's still very early in the SnG and Hero's implied odds aren't great going up against the blinds here with nobody in the pot before him. Maybe at blinds of 50/100 this might be a good stealing spot, but I don't think it's worth it at 25/50.
copernicus
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Sunday, May 4th, 2008, 1:01 PM) *
The third card is an Ace? I can't even see it...

Sheiky, I don't think there is anything wrong at all with folding this PF. It's still very early in the SnG and Hero's implied odds aren't great going up against the blinds here with nobody in the pot before him. Maybe at blinds of 50/100 this might be a good stealing spot, but I don't think it's worth it at 25/50.


Yeah the third flop card is the As with a funky flop turn river logo which is prolly why you cant see it. Folding PF is cleary right in a SnG.
jmbreslin
Actually, I can see the As...it's the 2nd card I can't see.
copernicus
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Sunday, May 4th, 2008, 5:03 PM) *
Actually, I can see the As...it's the 2nd card I can't see.



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simo_8ball
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Monday, May 5th, 2008, 1:03 AM) *
Actually, I can see the As...it's the 2nd card I can't see.

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As for the hand itself, in a $1.2 I don't mind just folding preflop although I wouldn't do it. I think raising is the best play there if you are decent postflop.

I probably don't c/bet that flop. If I did, it would be a $300 bet rather than $200. $200 allows them to call with anything. At all.

When called I shut down totally. Not one more cent unless I backdoor something special.
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