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dingas
PLO .25/.5, 10-handed game. 4 limpers to me in the cutoff, I raise to $4 with TT98 double suited, 3 people call and then the limper on my immediate right reraises it to $25. We both have $25 behind.

Is it profitable to call and see if I hit the flop, or should I just let it go? My hand has about 38% equity against AA**.
KoRnholio
QUOTE (dingas @ Saturday, April 26th, 2008, 1:32 PM) *
PLO .25/.5, 10-handed game. 4 limpers to me in the cutoff, I raise to $4 with TT98 double suited, 3 people call and then the limper on my immediate right reraises it to $25. We both have $25 behind.

Is it profitable to call and see if I hit the flop, or should I just let it go? My hand has about 38% equity against AA**.


That is, 38% equity when you see all 5 cards. You can't profitably call here because there isn't enough money left behind for those relatively few times you do hit.
dingas
QUOTE (KoRnholio @ Saturday, April 26th, 2008, 12:45 PM) *
That is, 38% equity when you see all 5 cards. You can't profitably call here because there isn't enough money left behind for those relatively few times you do hit.


Well, i'll have a profitable all-in call on the flop (with 4:1 odds) whenever I flop a flush draw, a straight draw, or even a pair of 8s or 9s or better, as long as there is no ace on the flop. That's quite a lot of flops that I'll be willing to continue with. Since I know what my opponent has, I'll be able to play more or less optimally on the flop, whereas he has to push pretty much every flop, which means he will be getting it in pretty thin in some cases.

Those are the arguments for calling, anyway. Still not sure whether calling is the right play, though.
Killrus
profitable? dont think so unless everyone calling smile.gif even then its still a gamble...you have a nice looking hand,,but gotta dump it to that kind of raise...
dingas
This hand has really been bothering me.. I ran some simulations and it seems like a preflop call is +EV, but it is very marginal, like +$4 or something on the $21 call. So maybe not even worth it given the high variance it entails. These games are so soft, maybe it's not necessary to make plays like this to win.

FWIW I called preflop, flopped a wrap straight draw, but missed everything and lost my stack..
KoRnholio
With a hand like TT98ds there are a number of good flops, but hitting your draw won't always win you the pot. Your possible flush draws are to the 5th nuts, so it is very easy for your opponent to have a higher flush draw.

People that are new to Omaha (but have some knowledge) are often mystified that heads up any two playable hands are very close in value. While this is true when you see all 5 cards, postflop playability is a much bigger factor in how hands play out. That's why Omaha is usually played as pot limit and not no limit. There are many post-flop intricacies that make the game what it is.
antistuff
what if one of your tens was a jack?
dingas
QUOTE (antistuff @ Saturday, April 26th, 2008, 9:16 PM) *
what if one of your tens was a jack?


Obviously, I'd be happier with 89TJ than 89TT against obvious aces. Actually, 789T would be even better because none of my possible straights need an Ace to hit. With 789T double suited, I don't think this would really be close at all, and a call would be obvious.
Killrus
but with 789T or 89TJ you want to see the flop before getting your whole stack in there.. agreed with kornholio that omaha is more post flop play. I'd rather have 89TT myself cause of the possibility of hitting a set and really screwing over the AA dude.
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