The SB is new to the table. No show downs with him yet and this is the first Blind vs Blind battle.

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (3 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9.
1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 6, 8, 2 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (14.20 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.20 BB

im new to limit hold em...
i think ive given up NL online at the stakes i play at... .05/.10 an .10/.25...
but ive realized theres nothing better then when they check the river

Looks good to me. I like the turn r/c. I'm not giving up on the undercard board, but when he 3bets I'll call down.

So is this a 6 Max table, or a full table breaking up?

To me it loks like a big spew on the Turn

I'm calling down from the turn.

I dont have strong opinion on other streets

6 max sorry for not stating in the OP

When he leads the turn I'm happy to call down. WA/WB based on his line, and we have likely clean outs with the OESD vs an overpair, which is what I'm feeling like he woke up with.

I don't think you understand the use of WA/WB.

nh, op. ipits.

please elaborate.

You think we are ahead/will win enough to raise the turn? Or are their other factors to consider?

Yeah, you're right, I misused it without counting outs. We're almost never way ahead here, and we have plenty of outs when we're behind.

If he's got a bigger pocket pair or a set ,we're drawing to 10 outs. If we're up against a straight, we're drawing to a split if he's got T9 or 95, which is unlikely, or our full 10 outs if he's got a smaller straight.

If he's got a clue, his limp means he doesn't want us to fold pf. His pf 3 -bet screams big pair to me.

Given that, I like to draw to our outs on the turn cheaply, and check behind on the river. It looks like he's checking a dangerous board oop to induce a bluff from a missed draw/not lose 2 bets to a made hand that beats his big pp.

There's also the chance that he's an agrodonk HU, but without reads I'm more likely to play it cautiously.

Make more sense?

Bravo.

and you made me realize I also do not like the river bet
This pot is too big for villain to want to bet/fold but the card has to scare him a bit.
C/C to catch worse hands is pretty obv.

River is a must bet

Why? What's he call with that we beat? A8?

my guess Looshle will say "What's he check with that we don't beat"

to which I'd say at this level, plenty of players will c/c a better hand on that river.

But I'l let await Looshle. I think he plays good.

The fact that he can't bet the river means he was capping a the flop without a set. He could have 86, which we now beat. The fact that he can go crazy on an that board and then not be able to bet the river means he's prob not a winning player and plays bigger pots with more marginal hands. I'm betting an overpair ehre when checked to. He can't raise us with a worse hand.

I'm following except that last part. We don't beat over pairs.
I would discount 86 based on the preflop play

I just don't put us ahead 50%

I don't see an overpair 3 betting the turn, and then checking the river. I see us ahead 50%.

yea, i'd put him on some sort of counterfeited 2p hand at least 2/3 of the time with this action.

You guys play too good.

If this is a solid or even competent player, the postflop action make sense with 86, but the preflop action doesn't. Why limp/rr with a hand like 86 when fold equity is so important to a hand that hits 2 pair on this flop?

At .25/.50 (and I really think that's important here) this looks so much like a donk agrotarding with an overpair (or possibly even AK - I've seen that plenty at .50/1, even) and then being scared of trips on the river.

I agree with Actuary, i think it's a definite call down from the turn after he leads into us after capping the flop.

I doubt I raise the turn, but our equity is pretty good even when we're behind so it's a small spew, if it is.

I think, on the river, I see AA-TT checking this river a lot. It's not a good card for him, given the action. Of course, I'd bet it in villain's spot, but I play better than most people at .25/.50.

The other thing to consider, with respect to the preflop and river play, specifically, is the fact that it's 3-handed, and people spew like mad sometimes, especially if this was 6-handed a few hands ago. Preflop, especially could be a hand like 68s or A8s or whatever, even K8 and so on (although even 68s hands are unlikely), and of course, we can reasonably expect a bit more aggression postflop with marginal hands. I think it changes the river a bit, because of that, he can have hands weaker than overpairs when he checks.

Basically, I think it's all close, and probably a bit reads-based on his aggression levels.

Also, SH forum plz.

You did see the OESD, right?

ok, small spew

What kind of hand his he trying to represent on the turn that can beat 99 but then checks the river. If the 8 pairs I'm prob checking behind here but the 7 pairing really doesn't affect me too much, just proves that he can put 4 bets in and lead the turn without a set.

The rivers a bet. All....night.....long

Yeah, but he doesn't need a set. He's not a thinking player, I assume. He could easily have TT-AA here and have the "zomg the flush hit and that card paired, I'm scurrrred, I check!" type mentality.

What do you think his range is? There really aren't a lot of hands we beat after the turn play, regardless of his river play. The river check tells us that he has a set basically never, so it's basically do we think he has A8 enough to bet this river, versus hands like TT-AA?

If he's the type of player to check the river card with an overpair I think it's very likely that he's not lead- 3 betting the turn with 1 pair.

Well, what the heck does he have then?

If he doesn't have a set or an overpair, or just one pair (8x), then wtf could he have? 68, 82, 62 are sooooo unlikely.

Not sure but I'm firing the river and seeing what it is when he pays me off. If I can discount a huge percentage of the hands that beat me then I couldn't care less about trying to figure out his exact 2 cards.

People get really loose/ aggro this short not wanting to be picked on, esp at this level

We'll agree to disagree.

imo you're putting too much on the river check as a sign he doesn't have 99 beat (which I do not thin indicates that as often as you do) and not enough on the preflop thru flop action

fwiw, i will make a 20 dollar side bet that he has a counterfeited 2p hand or maybe like 89 and was just getting pissy preflop after being raised, if'n ya want.

it's worth saying that someone who limp/reraises the sb in a blind battle has literally always been full of shit in my experience. the BEST hand i've ever seen someone doing this wake up with has been Q10, no joke.

i actually think that you and zach are putting too much weight on the preflop action as indicating a super strong hand, whereas i'd really argue that a limp/rr from the sb is actually total air more often than not. this means that all those 2p hands are perfectly reasonable, and also that the river check can make sense in the context of the hand as a whole.

the problem with anything else is that if you put him on an overpair, the b/3b turn, check river thing makes NO sense, and with a set, the river check is likewise nonsensical. a8 might make some sense, but we beat that, so meh.

i'm really sticking to my guns on 86, 82, or 26 here nearly every time. i'm saying 26 for now, ship it .

Wow, I misread pf, lol. I didn't know he LRR'ed. Now his PF range is way reads based. Even then, 62, 68, 82 have to be such a tiny part of his range.

8x is definitely possible, 89 as well, but if he checks there, he checks overpair hands as well on the river, so we just need him to have more 8x/c-feit 2 pair hands than he does overpairs.

Checky and Looshle,

OVerpairs will go nuts on the turn and check that river. It's what over pairs do on flush/paired rivers. At that level. Sometimes.

lol. this is fun though. We just seem to be seeing differnt parts of thehand as significant,

funny, I actually see the lack of a river bet as more a sign he has an over pair - because he doesn't want to pay two bets but he also won't want to b/f.

I think it's either an overpair (LRR pf) or 89 here. 82, 62 and 86 just aren't re-raising pf here.

With the flush card hitting, an overpair at these limits checks here alot.

Actuary's last point hits the villain's river decision on the head.

yeah just call it down... what was the outcome?